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From: Tom H <tomh0665@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:22:52 -0500
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?
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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:02:24PM +0000, Wols Lists wrote
>> On 10/12/17 10:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>
>>> I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal
>>> process of choice and selection that other successful packages have.
>>> It was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log,
>>> being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ....,
>>> doesn't make it an attractive package for me.
>>
>> Oddly enough, although the details are different, that passage I've
>> quoted pretty accurately describes how I feel about Gnome ... :-)
>
> I can't find it right now on Google, but I vaguely remember that
> Lennart asked the Gnome people to make systemd a hard dependancy. Not
> much later logind, which is required by Gnome, picks up systemd as a
> hard dependancy.
It was in 2011. The rationale was to use hostnamectl and localectl via
the gnome gui apps that set the hostname and locale and to replace
consolekit with logind for gdm and gnome-session. (Ubuntu showed with
upstart and systemd-shim that you could do all three with a different
init system.)