From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 024A9139083 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB633E0FAF; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-x22a.google.com (mail-wr0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46B79E0FA2 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id k61so20866397wrc.4 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:09:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=eQCSDwdT7F/m3oSItifAvSlmEMS1qGbbyxfHZumdmew=; b=tk7SyNaABGXrzKP3PXlgah6/CsrAQUe28ypCF8tb9UKNn/DWNEWC4vNSUxjOVsGB0d m1/wNG0E9zwItMMHxFjwiuKnoIzTPW29SQEjc93zJJ85HLjQsc8dD027qktFNDKGIqJn LrYnXfiZUx/HfJu1GkjeCLsPBC0iKvVFn/6UxaOg9Jn91qB3OkfdxgAgk7o6xIL6/5i6 B4FRCeIWn4pS1PuG1kBta6Dh+6ox8KKZXg1HIpr7EHnveqZHms/g5GW0cPe4T5WyQj2r /FedAbttziggqIx5+dCPA0n3aHTvIyJTfMIF/TAy4zwlWVnZeAwBQ4cGuWU1VpSXwhsq NWuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=eQCSDwdT7F/m3oSItifAvSlmEMS1qGbbyxfHZumdmew=; b=lDZd+sHLPkijdfRHYGaC7PFos2yGRzgXhOKquhUTPYSUjYA3APPtC2iGBUUy5F0EQ1 b+b60++cp6OxXal0zad+1EMwLnRx0U1aSyPaXhaLs/+0tyvM3wkS96bXJr63vfdx7pld 6oAwkiH5NsexuIo/JfIbveD2gdnHaZapoSq5bdliXw5Xz6+cq1/h1nZAeGxixPxNnGqy oKvIyG/jAvKpu2zigeGHGNkYtZxAOp7k3kwDdB5j1yaA5EImMPnOpEK5XtIdy91Di2NY dkc91BnfXtFvgWuOrNLzHhKINlT47dthxYlnRpvczv2wctzZgst9ciLVwPbGaWl8ROh6 zh9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLVyXdBp03I9irMRjeQ7MQJ9z8DBnXmv/ycO9jT7T/EYCZ57DJ7 ItINvd1oaISddsLxYHWXIhx4Yq0IbMZvlqZEfB7N6A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovXHqs3dfIlbO8M9osmJef83m62X/WxtzJ/tfGsnG+uDhZAoVxvOM9b8EgLOXbbfxT7oWjIDMUe0g1DRAZ2DMs= X-Received: by 10.223.136.50 with SMTP id d47mr3573867wrd.76.1513080557717; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:09:17 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.159.79 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:09:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171211222917.7660652b@digimed.co.uk> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <6cb25230-9803-2bd4-ee69-66504d0d1822@gmx.com> <5A2D04A1.6090101@youngman.org.uk> <20171210101330.GA5671@ACM> <20171211185602.7a1853c9@digimed.co.uk> <20171211210321.GA12473@ACM> <20171211222917.7660652b@digimed.co.uk> From: Tom H Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:09:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 2ae5193c-8c33-4c6c-b7f8-9577b8befedc X-Archives-Hash: d4149764b1f91414b147c066650ddd6c On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > "journalctl" is just the same as "less /var/log/messages" so here's > not much to learn unless you want to use the search features. Reading > the log from a remote machine is easy, using either SSH or HTTP, > whichever you prefer. My one complaint about the systemd journal is > that there is not, AFAIK, a standalone reader. If I want to boot from > a live CD, I can only read the logs if it is a systemd live CD, or I > chroot into the original system. Unless someone knows different... In an emergency, "strings system.journal | grep MESSAGE= | less" is useful. It's too bad that there isn't a standalone journal reader but the systemd developers live in a systemd world and assume that others live in the same world. Anyway, a live CD of a systemd-based distribution's always easy to retrieve and use.