From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3DBD139085 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7694E0D95; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x241.google.com (mail-wm0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348F1E0D8C for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x241.google.com with SMTP id u144so12970818wmu.0 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:40:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KWMLlaqTJJa1qYJFdkc3R2yU4WNjAkoLMZgpWRbVLtc=; b=RAsiMqG19U/hMESup4M0+L8OoN4/iW6u5ain//Rn8r8Cec4edPczDIN4N8a/exiTXs 8CzYUadabavdUFNQAzMpTYX7uD+4NByFhNg3Cq12yhFfjPjnu7kCdZx2LmFgkJkP37DS BIJS30H/9KoBbIpUi+E3OMTyu6trafrngwU+yVkucoFPXnm9S7jw8gZkDeGyZ7GC6Cq5 VQBtCcqA/LUEr4qLnwneuEdbHP/NkmMUd2vOXwTyTCofOqdkpcACOm2AHnXrx5ue4SEY pegFRPUStz36Bz+kluemRWucgZJuHzKGMQXG1Y51CsYWTVL0i+sYgjOL2ZucVcjQs2XC TfXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KWMLlaqTJJa1qYJFdkc3R2yU4WNjAkoLMZgpWRbVLtc=; b=GcFnoJqYDlF+Z5TCsSf3VJs+IpBFDBOa1mNdUxvDKUWA0JXZLIv6QHCSGpq0ghD4Em rtcLcuqQ7bhElZmd/Wo81XnJ4fTi83B1Fnd10EpFjMmnTQV5Mi+ybA5g8J0iTqaSP4TA CXSfzFjJv1yVP6PGQXSpStikVfB9Ak3INX9DO/Rw9Q5KT6R6fG8xqZSeA4DTFWVqt96d ZBL8sx8/UH/4h2SKDLeTtvcvOnk00oeBNFLXZMvh2SN5VE3sDYwMpNG1nam6ukWHDAu1 ohNK6GpKA1Of3HxhAN9ZGZYfCU8N8BF04inN1qzrpbjJi0y5D35zCk14wIPr10rBzoI9 Rr2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIckvl8UTQ4mEhfJHqDLkaViORj2gM4+u5hADRxPuaQcQZdcFj6QaQlCuRqBhweZZL8yzYHYRbRZd/dWQ== X-Received: by 10.28.132.201 with SMTP id g192mr9321250wmd.134.1482046798965; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:39:58 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.14.73 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:39:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> From: Tom H Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 02:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 59bac234-191f-4978-b291-75f1bc8af718 X-Archives-Hash: b7f54403ac522b0fd133cd5b01c9dd96 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:16:27PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >>> It's been discussed over and over again. Lots of people are firm in >>> their understanding that Lennart is an actor by and for the big >>> business. Me too. >> >> Well, he is a Red Hat employee. Nobody really debates that. > > Maybe it's not intentional spyware malice, but rather that home users > are being jerked around while Redhat re-writes linux as a corporate OS. In what way are home users being jerked around? How many care about the guts of their system? I (unfortunately) manage four linux laptops for my parents and two friends. They just want to boot thei machines and use them in the same way that they use their iPhones and iPads - and they couldn't care less about anything less. There are of course people who want to change and customize their setups (like you) and for whom the advent of and domination by systemd's a PitA. Please don't generalize. > Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one > ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. Now the name > varies in each machine depending on the motherboard layout; oogabooga11? > foobar42? It may be static, but you don't know what it'll be, without > first booting the machine. In a truly Orwellian twist, this "feature" > is referred to as "Predictable" Network Interface Names. It only makes > things easier for corporate machines acting as gateways/routers, with > multiple ports. Again, the average home user is being jerked around for > a corporate agenda. Do "regular" home users know the name of the NIC that they're using?!