From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ABD1389FE for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BD2AE0923; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36503E0884 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id ge10so7033317lab.36 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sdNm5Hv6TgRUj40ty6hDKjxQDpIXI6oRGeyyssOu8M4=; b=ZCuvRNI32yAseij52iliQAeePzt8K2AWc8DZlBSyEXH9lA22TFoYzclVDdRPqa33z2 OSrImbv8mmAR0jwKjok+G5PF1lN4IIZkynaDODCCbDu9u73AjfgOvZn59wYnDX1xkvIg 4wzla4rsrDLQn+2XLqQea6MqjXRJEvPguEsq67HTRhDoXE9aTA7gkLSqpcqzTdDRtAye dXcKcTBtHLVdVNLqgyr+mN2SyWB/eslEWXIwjqcZ6WQLGjjw23AgNP1udV6tEKd+tZui NuG3cBSogEEltZtPmd2xRo7/UGO8hG7JA1j37wqwDHhohJ0u6hDKwdCeJkeT62s10n8q UZbQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.138.196 with SMTP id qs4mr29507037lbb.83.1414793371421; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.168 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5707050.LYlfBLMIFp@andromeda> References: <1721456.cxhDToZz1Z@andromeda> <5707050.LYlfBLMIFp@andromeda> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels From: Tom H To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 40c99458-c85a-4029-ad55-466c2189f1fd X-Archives-Hash: 04e9e48e4f4656448921832af5847027 On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd. > If people want to use it, fine. > But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a > problem with it. It cuts both ways. Let's assume that you want to use polkit/policykit where the most recent version depends on logind and has dropped support for consolekit. You don't want to be forced into using systemd because of the deprecation of consolekit support but the developers of polkit don't want to be forced into maintaining support for consolekit. It's too bad that the systemd maintainers tied their login and cgroup managers into their /sbin/init; systemd would've been uncontroversial if they had. Ubuntu and Debian use systemd-shim (AFAIR/AFAIUI previously systemd-services) and cgmanager in order to use a standalone logind running without systemd as pid 1. > I just had a look at the use-flags for systemd, similarly to myself wondering > about multimedia support in grub2, I wonder why there is an HTTP-server > embedded in journald. I somehow doubt it has any real security on it and I > have seen programs write usernames and passwords to stdout/syslog when running > with the default log-levels. I suspect that grub has multimedia support because there's an option to emit a beep when grub starts. It's not an option that I've used or that I'll ever use but someone must want/like it. :) The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd server's useful if if you want a basic send-the-logs-to-another-box-as-is, but that, if you want to filter or manipulate the journald output, you have to use rsyslog or syslog-ng.