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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
From: Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl@gentoo.org>
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Alecks Gates <alecks.g@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alecks Gates <alecks.g@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> =
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-08-18 10:55 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s <caneko@gmail.co=
m> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And, putting aside systemd and getting back on topic to the council's
>>>>> decision of (eventually) not supporting separated /usr without an
>>>>> initramfs; have you ever stopped to consider that, perhaps, that's th=
e
>>>>> best *technical* decision? (*gasp*)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is *not* the concern here, Canek, and that should be obvious from=
the comments here.
>>>>
>>>> Repeat: the primary concern is *not* about separate /usr without initr=
amfs.
>>>>
>>>> The primary concern is that systemd will eventually be shoved down our=
throats whether we want it or not, and using eudev or mdev or *anything* =
other than systemd (ie OpenRC/eudev) will.
>>>>
>>> *snip*
>>>>
>>>>> When you have almost all distributions converging on that, and even
>>>>> *the OpenRC maintainer* (which is the one pushing this, BTW, not the
>>>>> systemd guys) supporting that decision, don't you think that perhaps,
>>>>> just*perhaps*, everybody screaming about the sky falling (which, BTW,
>>>>>
>>>>> they are certainly noisy, but I really don't think are that many) are
>>>>> overreacting and even (*gasp* again) wrong?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, the main issue is not about separate /usr, so please stop tryin=
g to deflect the subject...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't that what this thread is about? "Optional /usr merge in Gentoo"
>>>
>>> Can someone please explain to me what's so hard and/or complicated
>>> about making an initramfs? At this point in time it's extremely
>>> simple for me, but I only manage relatively simple systems (although
>>> I'd like that to change soon). All I do is add one extra line (for
>>> example - "dracut -H --kver=3D3.11.0-rc6") to my kernel install
>>> procedure.
>>>
>>> Granted, the only reason I have an initramfs is for the plymouth
>>> splash screen (other systems aren't desktops) -- but from everything I
>>> can see it's not too complicated otherwise.
>>
>> Yeah... it is not complicated to but Windows as well, or IBM os-390!!!
>>
>> You use a tool that hides the initramfs building, and you are amazed
>> it is simple?
>
> Dracut isn't *hiding* anything from me, I just don't need anything
> more complicated -- who said I'm amazed?
>
>>
>> The files within the initramfs generation tool are compiled using
>> different tool than portage, they are not updated when distribution is
>> updated, and they are not even at same version within portage tree.
>
> Why does this matter? Are there some huge security vulnerabilities
> I'm unaware of?
>>
>> It may be acceptable for you... but do not expect everyone will accept
>> your setup.
>
> Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the logic. Feel free to explain it t=
o me.
What do you mean "Don't mind me"?
I don't mind you... as long as you don't force me to do anything...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alon
>>
>
> --
> Alecks Gates
>