From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB831381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38FF2E0F28; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31D9BE0E96 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id e15so3120453vbg.4 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:41:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eCA3vdXMZ+fT5bSv90MskXy91o8RNVh5QZeSysabwvU=; b=Fjv7t3LUGM9xPe2duoJFiBc4N8XRsv33iAgEZ/97ACWFk/zxs6kHRQrVZYLm0avl+5 ZuXRjDtCUusOULvB5FZPno4+9MOY6zok8AbdSjpfp7q2lh/3TMwjp6p4n9b4TCO342xR pgSk6N9x5firC/KnAm0832/zRxV3U5QRcUtIwhAduGfTgZtWZvwDFLq8/jnIJP5QhMlQ 6WjzsaKA4CjGLMTO5BJfO7WbrRdSRCWHRUEwyUm7Pysambnq4CYPlMS1fcNtLRgpuSNt qvhMaeZnH+gxbb8VLQCoIMFvv1GulcBM+pvdf+NqUrb0zFPWZHnelc1K18P6Tbhc5tel XV0w== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.108.74 with SMTP id hi10mr18756004veb.14.1380483687358; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: alon.barlev@gmail.com Received: by 10.58.247.71 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:41:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> <20130928190441.GB11317@acm.acm> <20130928211702.46eda062@digimed.co.uk> <52486A5D.1020402@libertytrek.org> <20130929191128.GB16543@linux1> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:41:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: I0If2vk1Bn5FgRqHOBmEChXS1YY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 From: Alon Bar-Lev To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 279cd0e9-049a-49ff-9fe6-0e2a296d1dd0 X-Archives-Hash: c8728b0e0aaf47d044d151178cb48f39 On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs wrot= e: > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s= wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but = it is > >> >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifical= ly > >> >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr = isn't > >> >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same c= ode. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a > >> >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate ac= t of > >> >>> , much like an earthquake. This gets > >> >>> patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you her= e. I > >> >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else > >> >>> round here.) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, = now it > >> >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote th= e > >> >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case. > >> > > >> > > >> > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 mon= ths, or > >> > better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush??? > >> > > >> > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this dec= ision? I > >> > seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a = 'paper > >> > trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let others judge th= eir > >> > decisions based on the merits of their arguments, then what does tha= t say > >> > about their true motivations/intentions? > >> > >> The discussion happened in [1], [2], and [3]. And in similar meetings > >> and mailing lists since months ago. > >> > >> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946 > >> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt > >> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88282 > > > > You forgot [4]. > > > > [4] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/235575 > > > > I was actually against it initially. After reading and understanding > > where the linux ecosystem is going, my position evolved to support it. > > Thanks for the link, William, and for all the work you have done to > bring Gentoo to modern standards. modern =3D what enforced by udev (aka systemd)? > > Regards. > -- > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n > Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico >