From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-149680-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158711381F3 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDF50E0B14; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C95DEE0AF6 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id p13so2338444vbe.5 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZPmgP6u41Hv2KH+3n0g88VZDKwICJrm7471hB1r0TR8=; b=AwbTh+auZMaa1iPBeYJEsec4u7uxh9OyfKaiFqBMJ7N2QdLjnCGpVtZgMp4nPCksfU u9BvYf7IgZsd9pacnPrbGuHo5NJdjl8D9zcXNgvQiTA4lggw3hU7Pl4DkQg9Au7NvoEy vRl1PcXYnTUhr1sOTuy3YUi7ZrsS4izCRUZ+dPp+EOXoSC+rDc99W2wmyFLd6tZ6U+Rv onTMES5e0Pf+wqBoUyAQIOiH9sT0ipzk+1riV71hiDZetAwkqYqQ6ELaOZZEZsoNlApz c441iPl/EstsWjvJJ+hzYeAZjZHZpWsbz5LSEfXKUbDqjLKKjc/tfXhn0GYqmsXXK8dW ciTw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.73.135 with SMTP id l7mr3793502vdv.9.1376767138903; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: alon.barlev@gmail.com Received: by 10.58.255.193 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:18:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520F6333.70301@dmj.nu> References: <CAGbLXuV1PpjP5=M8zPD6qiEdMBjQjaZh8y-HyA+ZwYE-PHSrEg@mail.gmail.com> <CAKxh67V_JadMwkY2nZDOeDSQzA6OYq6Fv915U1HKVJUe4wy2-Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAGbLXuWKvg+wjQ807pDm1iPH_nWLeYvKbap3E5Ssocd7uSMT+Q@mail.gmail.com> <520A5446.1050001@mail.ru> <CAGbLXuWdtU+Y+jjqfbMAhzfTdBJOV9yaUzLcCoTAHVEenkFeNg@mail.gmail.com> <520DA782.4050803@sporkbox.us> <CAGbLXuVwFkRD+iQMvUXkWqhn4TyyZ9Zp5zgiXz+Wke=6vv8OAQ@mail.gmail.com> <CADPrc80eLm3vaUeL41PnZdFBxuvRkuXNrJPnhbOmi0xJ+C-LYw@mail.gmail.com> <520F6333.70301@dmj.nu> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:18:58 +0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NeAbOPaifOktXOxNhAl0YjPL8y0 Message-ID: <CAOazyz2WgD3RRrew8m3K=L7maah0inkmnHSmfudb_ZT=EmBb1Q@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo From: Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 22125ae4-1110-4d85-ba38-494d51f93f8e X-Archives-Hash: dd4a99aeb94dd04269ebd4d43744675c On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Dan Johansson <Dan.Johansson@dmj.nu> wrote= : > On 16.08.2013 15:57, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov >> <ilovegnulinux@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 2013/8/13 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s <caneko@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little >>>> gain, at least currently. >>>> >>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> The next council meeting will vote if separated /usr without and >>>> initramfs is officially supported by Gentoo; I hope this time around >>>> finally is officially and unequivocally stated by the council that a >>>> separated /usr without an initramfs is *NOT* supported. >>> >>> As I see from >>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130813.txt, the co= uncil >>> has stated that it is not supported anymore. >> >> Well, better late than never. It was about time. >> >>>> The usr-merge will be a slow, gradual change; it will probably take >>>> years. The systemd package entered the tree in June 2011, after more >>>> than a year in an overlay, and then it took more than two years to >>>> make it an official alternative to OpenRC. The /usr merge will take a >>>> similar amount of time, if not longer. >>>> > > And when we are at it, why not rename '/' to 'C:\' ? Good one!!!!! :) I guess this merge happening only because systemd... Now the council expects people to: 1. maintain initramfs, it can be complex or simple task, depend on the configuration. 2. place all disk and filesystem recovery utilities within initramfs. 3. or... prepare to use rescue cd every time something is broken. Unclear why exactly we do have support in separate /usr. Regards, Alon