From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D24138BF3 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 02:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00B12E0AA7; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 02:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com (mail-qc0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAEB6E09DA for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 02:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n7so22186531qcx.16 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:23:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=kIVxfe6jpfABLSqv0Hqdbx45TlObJgtbXuexYF1imMY=; b=JD9O/uw9818bCpz/JI5fOo3/6ziQRC3PwGFhWp3zBWiguTSy7fnuD8/TabYA3eqfOI zDY6KItq2I2aJa/JBDTaqJpjlKRueY80TFiGq+GyT2v2vkT0u/2krDrZOXL+4BE74RxC bSpdO+b8KYOfCXgPJyVaE51RB5oDY8i6XIq/OszOlizUtWKq5ay3q6nT7/MwYHfR2Fsx LONAP/ZZe5mGxm/WtP1fggvLarCfhzvHK5qZwZZabq7r+QJW4rUTq7rtJS3lunPKNe1b wxc7NVI3qg/8RkpejuZd2qzHC+Z7OLVkL46SY748T61uXFVsvQLzN2bxlsFSYyPSkAaB Kn+g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.92.65 with SMTP id a59mr23609698qge.34.1392517399084; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:23:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: alon.barlev@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.57.78 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:23:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> <52FFCE52.5060401@sporkbox.us> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:23:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TGMjzoI8zaosJrF9FYBChP0tyFM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: Alon Bar-Lev To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: bde90d90-4b35-4aff-8514-56c21b8436b0 X-Archives-Hash: 3d6077732b034648e5acec0e160e8c23 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:09 AM, walt wrote: > > On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > The social > > tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat > > projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the > > "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" methodology. > > I certainly share your hostility towards M$ for suppressing competition. > > Red Hat, like M$, is a for-profit corporation, so I share your suspicion > that they want to suppress their competitors (though I don't know who > their competitors are). > > But comparing a completely closed-source shop like M$ to any open source > company leaves me feeling uneasy. I can't find the exact argument to > explain my unease, but I'm hoping someone else will jump in with a more > rational argument. Once the vertical will be too high and spaghetti like, there will be no difference between close source and open source vendor, as nobody will be able to maintain the vertical without being payed for it. Even if one believes that he has a great fix/improvement, he won't be able to get it merged unless he is endorsed or work in specific vendor, as the roadmap, support matrix and content will be determined by that "open source" vendor. It will be impossible to fork it either as forking the entire vertical is out of the question. Regards, Alon