From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80B138A1A for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7AE8E0AE9; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 904EDE0AA2 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a141so5908325oig.9 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ukgaZzMeblIQbKmnJEgeOEO9pAEqIZ08dq8wj8I9yH0=; b=APhM2KaWONaWE+Hr00naOrDx33zjmvOhXeR1xi1PSgVDoL6+My404/zFiffC2qzZSD 22aXRA20Sb6Eg7auR/1JWqXBTgV6e2SeKv4fT5m1MaOupd87+t/dS0fUvF1dra9PLIKq TPc9N1Ja51NtIvlBeP9ecef7Hto3ZbFxJXsDTR5CbGbrYrG41CE07EZmwgMkr9MVC8Wd jiVW4X55yevlc6uYxXzVkM3HHJsIHfcT3K/QxMJ/+pBo/rlLmc38oa7fXI1FUgiJCPan m9pq4nl7kEXPIMUM0hZX0dF6egS94lCy6U6d0s5J2dmh97KP9PqwxR82Kiip+/Ta9zR8 yqmw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.71.77 with SMTP id s13mr10302239obu.43.1416775690852; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) Sender: alon.barlev@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.49.11 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141123203541.2ccd11ef@digimed.co.uk> References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <54721CEC.1020902@libertytrek.org> <20141123180055.GC2139@vidovic.ultras.lan> <547228FC.6080703@libertytrek.org> <547242A3.30403@libertytrek.org> <20141123203541.2ccd11ef@digimed.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:48:10 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZEXF7I7De_8hZVTVq0FXacprqjc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now From: Alon Bar-Lev To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: e7bb5bb5-ae9e-425b-9aea-06cb98dfd558 X-Archives-Hash: eee99d1c4ce6e333b8cbd00626176b86 On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:25:07 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > The current Gentoo policy is that maintainers cannot block other devs > > > from adding support for systemd/openrc/etc to their packages if they > > > lack such support. Gentoo policy does NOT require maintainers to > > > support any particular init system. > > > > > > If you feel otherwise, I suggest you cite the policy. > > > > Interesting... packages don't have to support the default init system... > > > > Can anyone say 'can of worms'? > > Well, if it goes the way Rich suggests, there won't be a default init > system so this won't be an issue. > > Gentoo is about choice, defaults are there for when you can't be bothered > to make the choice yourself, which makes defaults largely irrelevant in > the Gentoo way of doing things. > > And if the default init system does become virtual/init, will you care or > even notice? It was only when installing a new system recently that I saw > that the default for virtual/cron was no longer vixie-cron, yet none of > my systems using vixie stopped working... > > The choice will always be there as long as at least one person cares > enough to ensure the choice is there. Choice can be for components that are optional or drop-in-replacements. It like you have expected that alternate gcc or libc will be a *STABLE* choice, while developers a not using these "choices". Systemd is not drop-in-replacement for init.d, and if developers (except gnome) are not using it, then this choice is stable for gnome users but no more than that, thus marking it as stable in the global profile was at least "strange", also not having USE flag for openrc and systemd was at least "strange", pushing users files and components they do not use nor require. As written before, Gentoo seems the only refuge from the systemd ecosystem take over, once it is taken, it will be good time to move to FreeBSD. People should had have -systemd USE to make sure they are not using this ecosystem, this is one of the loses we had. Alon