From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S964b-0004w9-LD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:42:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82FEFE07C9; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f181.google.com (mail-vx0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADB6E07A5 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcge1 with SMTP id e1so6528835vcg.40 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:41:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cANifNlonYxpR9AFM0rIp3UbRogicEdIMlGWYGwkpdA=; b=QPPDrYPMUCFxo+TIFS5o61FO/6gd/xvmS4WyZLwNT3Av1EcjJK8qBdETKQqqwCK3IS y0Exa2RzdDQe3Ttvccsi71ksYWWQjeTgiiGKN/jBd8thrQZVlMNLnbitK96SnrSESuov BNR9spj3XVQUk/lsGorTKbBZ3UVCD5juHZ8oDmjwPKDT08ANIi9W1F7fj5OWaX1ORrgy 69BXhTbLKg6Y33eHoH1Xw49n7mc8AoKDNGUSAO41Gv7E6+KFXTxGotDGJGbKhJorRSwf adMvVAxlCUFuaDmXig+R+YHXzK7GsHsjymZMwzd0IUR9jiKr5o3Dk9HrEHioB+IE6vD2 rDOQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.17.82 with SMTP id m18mr3412221vdd.89.1332038467039; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.2.144 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] From: Joshua Murphy To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 1a10681b-6da7-4525-b021-7fdb2c4e9ec5 X-Archives-Hash: a462bf610c942a740cceef326f448099 On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrot= e: > On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> * It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that >> this is a bad thing): Using systemd, the same >> configurations/techniques work the same in every distribution. No more >> need to learn /etc/conf.d, /etc/sysconfig, /etc/default hacks by >> different distros. > > > Out of the things you listed, this strikes me as the most important. Linu= x > really needs standards. =C2=A0When I install software on Windows, it know= s how to > add its startup services. =C2=A0On Linux, this is all manual work if your= distro > isn't supported, especially on Gentoo. =C2=A0If there's no ebuild for it,= you > spend your whole day trying to make it work. > > My day job's on the windows side of things... and as true as it is that the application developer knows the approach they're going to use today to get their piece of software to start when windows does (as often as not, doing so without the knowledge of the user), there's a *massive* range of ways to do just that, and they *do* vary as you move from one version of windows to the next... and tracking down what's actually starting at boot (and why) without tools explicitly created to give that information is an incredible amount of work on the side of the user and even the usual admin. I'm not sure I'd cite that as a positive benefit on the windows side of things... --=20 Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy