[gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Hubert Hauser]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Poison BL.]

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On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Hubert Hauser <hubot@mail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I want to learn from scratch securing Linux and ethical hacking. Should I
> do as the most people so install Kali Linux on virtual machine or install
> Gentoo Hardened with Pentoo overlay on my PC? I heard a lot of negative
> opinions about Kali Linux.
>
> --
> Best regards, Hubert Hauser.
>

Kali's spectacular, but I don't recommend it for "everyday" use. It's
designed to stand-up quick, do a pentest, and tear it back down when you're
done. I ran a subset of the pentoo overlay on a laptop for a while, and
while it was nifty to have some of those tools on hand, it wasn't enough
for me to justify having them installed 24/7, and it never felt as complete
as Kali does for the job.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Grant Taylor]

On 03/31/2018 09:37 AM, Hubert Hauser wrote:
> Hello!

Hi,

> I want to learn from scratch securing Linux and ethical hacking. Should 
> I do as the most people so install Kali Linux on virtual machine or 
> install Gentoo Hardened with Pentoo overlay on my PC? I heard a lot of 
> negative opinions about Kali Linux.

<RANT class="Greybeard" venue="soapbox">
I get tired of all the various (what I consider to be) "noise" about 
"Learn Kali Linux".

IMHO Kali is just another distrobution of Linux.  It just happens to be 
one targeting security in that it has a lot of security related tools. 
Mucht he same way that various live / recovery distrobutions have lots 
of recovery / file system / partition / etc tools on them.

Learn the /concepts/ behind the various /programs/ that Kali packiges up 
neatly with a bow on top.

Once you know these concepts, you can easily use the various programs, 
a.k.a. /tools/, on any distribution, including Gentoo.
</RANT>

So … you can very likely learn things on Gentoo (any profile) without 
too much trouble.  That being said, many "Learn Kali Linux" turnkey 
courses will be geared to and assuming that you are using Kali Linux. 
This is probably okay and likely just means that you will need to 
translate from Kali to Gentoo (or any other distro) if (when) things 
differe.

Depending with your comfort to do such translation, you may find that a 
Kali VM may be easier and more closely match any such (noise) training 
courses.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Taiidan]

/* loading hacking tools /*

I met someone who said he games on kali....why? all the elite hackers
use it - it is a very powerful linux that is perfect for dual-booting
with windows 10 due to its high level of security.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[R0b0t1]

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Taiidan@gmx.com <Taiidan@gmx.com> wrote:
> /* loading hacking tools /*
>
> I met someone who said he games on kali....why? all the elite hackers
> use it - it is a very powerful linux that is perfect for dual-booting
> with windows 10 due to its high level of security.
>

Do people actually dual boot with pentesting distros? I was always
under the impression you were supposed to load it from removable
storage.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Adam Carter]

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Do people actually dual boot with pentesting distros? I was always

> under the impression you were supposed to load it from removable
> storage


Blackhats would load from removable storage, but I imagine whitehats would
prefer a stable setup with easy retention of info.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Adam Carter]

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>
> I want to learn from scratch securing Linux and ethical hacking. Should I
>> do as the most people so install Kali Linux on virtual machine or install
>> Gentoo Hardened with Pentoo overlay on my PC? I heard a lot of negative
>> opinions about Kali Linux.
>>
>
If you haven't installed and maintained a gentoo system before, its a great
way of building a solid foundation of knowledge.

If you have, then its a matter of taste, so try both and see what you like.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Grant Taylor]

On 04/02/2018 08:47 PM, Adam Carter wrote:
> If you haven't installed and maintained a gentoo system before, its a 
> great way of building a solid foundation of knowledge.

Agreed.

Though I do think that reading the Linux from Scratch book and doing the 
install along with the book will likely teach more about Linux (as it 
existed at the time) than Gentoo does or will.

Nothing against Gentoo.  It's just that I think that LFS goes into much 
more detail.  (At least the last time I checked.)

> If you have, then its a matter of taste, so try both and see what you like.

Yep.



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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-04-02 21:14, Grant Taylor wrote:

> Though I do think that reading the Linux from Scratch book and doing
> the install along with the book will likely teach more about Linux (as
> it existed at the time)

Does that mean LFS is dead?  That would be a pity.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Hardened vs Kali Linux

[Grant Taylor]

On 04/02/2018 10:15 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Does that mean LFS is dead?  That would be a pity.

Nope.  I see "2018" on the http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ website.  At 
a quick glance, it looks like LFS is still alive.

I was referring to my ignorance of if LFS has changed since I last 
worked through it 10+ years ago.



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