[gentoo-user] google

[gentoo-user] google

[behrouz khosravi]

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Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!

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[gentoo-user] Re: google

[behrouz khosravi]

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On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!
>

belive me or not, sometimes I feel I am living in the 1984 novel ?!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: google

[Alec Ten Harmsel]

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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:00 PM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com <mailto:bz.khosravi@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!
> 
> belive me or not, sometimes I feel I am living in the 1984 novel ?!


What? They don’t control the way I live.

Alec

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: google

[Mick]

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On Friday 10 Jul 2015 22:28:24 Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
> > On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:00 PM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com
> > <mailto:bz.khosravi@gmail.com>> wrote: Do you folks notice that google
> > is triying to control the way we live?!
> > 
> > belive me or not, sometimes I feel I am living in the 1984 novel ?!
> 
> What? They don’t control the way I live.
> 
> Alec

I don't know if they are "trying" to control the way we live, but they can 
influence it by only making information they deem appropriate accessible in 
their searches.  The Google ranking algos are de facto the lenses through 
which many people access a lot of information today (c. 70% global market 
share on searches).  Google can obfuscate facts and limit our breadth of 
vision, but in most cases I suspect this is only a reflection of what their 
users are interested in.

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: google

[Bill Kenworthy]

On 11/07/15 05:54, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 10 Jul 2015 22:28:24 Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:00 PM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:bz.khosravi@gmail.com>> wrote: Do you folks notice that google
>>> is triying to control the way we live?!
>>>
>>> belive me or not, sometimes I feel I am living in the 1984 novel ?!
>>
>> What? They don’t control the way I live.
>>
>> Alec
> 
> I don't know if they are "trying" to control the way we live, but they can 
> influence it by only making information they deem appropriate accessible in 
> their searches.  The Google ranking algos are de facto the lenses through 
> which many people access a lot of information today (c. 70% global market 
> share on searches).  Google can obfuscate facts and limit our breadth of 
> vision, but in most cases I suspect this is only a reflection of what their 
> users are interested in.
  ^^^^^^

You are not googles users ... YOU are the product they sell

:)

BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: google

[behrouz khosravi]

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> You are not googles users ... YOU are the product they sell
>
> Brilliant !

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: google

[Mick]

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On Saturday 11 Jul 2015 02:14:33 behrouz khosravi wrote:
> > You are not googles users ... YOU are the product they sell
> > 
> > Brilliant !

We are users of their service(s) and our information is the product they sell 
to marketing businesses and more recently governments.

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: google

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:26:43 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > > You are not googles users ... YOU are the product they sell
> > > 
> > > Brilliant !  
> 
> We are users of their service(s) and our information is the product
> they sell to marketing businesses and more recently governments.

We are users of their services and our information is the fee we pay for
those services. It's like any other transaction; if you don't like the
price, don't buy the service.

No one is forcing you to give you data to Google, or any of the other
companies.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

To boldly go where I surely don't belong.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [O/T] google

[Mick]

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On Saturday 11 Jul 2015 08:52:53 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:26:43 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > > You are not googles users ... YOU are the product they sell
> > > > 
> > > > Brilliant !
> > 
> > We are users of their service(s) and our information is the product
> > they sell to marketing businesses and more recently governments.
> 
> We are users of their services and our information is the fee we pay for
> those services. It's like any other transaction; if you don't like the
> price, don't buy the service.

If Google do not cover their costs, then they will not be able to offer their 
services.  However, if I don't like the price and not use all these companies' 
services, then to a great extent this implies I choose to not use the 
Internet.  This would not present a problem for my father in law, but would 
cause a catastrophic collapse of the cognitive map of most children in the 
western world.


> No one is forcing you to give you data to Google, or any of the other
> companies.

You are right of course.  The question however remains if our human right to 
privacy is violated by these internet service and communications companies and 
we ended up implicitly acquiescing to it, while our governments changed the 
laws to regularise it.  Not using the Internet will severely restrict our 
information access and return it to the analogue age.

Back to the OP's question, I don't think that Google (or the rest) are trying 
to *control* the way we live, but can definitely influence it.


PS.  I marked this as [O/T] because the words gentoo, portage, emerge, et al. 
did not appear once so far.  :-p

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Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: [O/T] google

[James]

Mick <michaelkintzios <at> gmail.com> writes:


> Back to the OP's question, I don't think that Google (or the rest) are 
> trying to *control* the way we live, but can definitely influence it.
> PS.  I marked this as [O/T] because the words gentoo, portage, emerge, 
> et al. did not appear once so far.  :-p


The Onion might not give us "nation state level security" but it really
does help. I think if you mix in a few system that run off of a livedvd
(or usbstick with persistence) you can build a network that most vendors,
interlopers and pecker-heads cannot penetrate. The trick is to figure
out a quick moving onion, where a group of folks build-use-teardown
on a weekly if not shorter basis. I'd be willing to participate
with a few folks on building and testing, say a gentoo-onion within
TOR, if any other have interest.

The TOR-ramdisk looks promising for this [1]
http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk. Once my cluster stuff stabalizes, one
of the things
I want to experiment with is running hundreds of Tor-ramdisk
on  a large cluster. If they do not live long, it's hard to complain
about private and limited channels...... How to best syncronize with
an out-of-band approach is something that needs extra thought. A physically
distinct channel to pass new cryptokeys around is limited and challenging.


James

[1] http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk

[gentoo-user] Re: google

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-07-10, Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:

>> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!
>> 
>> belive me or not, sometimes I feel I am living in the 1984 novel ?!
>
> What? They don’t control the way I live.

Which is _exactly_ what you would post if Google _were_ controlling
you.

Perhaps you're just not aware that they're controlling you?

;)

-- 
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                                  at               see the EASTER BUNNY in
                              gmail.com            skintight leather at an
                                                   IRON MAIDEN concert?

Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2015 22:59, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!



Come on. Get real. Or grow up.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:29:30 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote:

> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!

Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

One-seventh of your life is spent on Monday.

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Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Alexander Salmin]

http://www.instructables.com/id/Aluminum-Foil-Hat/

On 2015-07-11 00:25, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:29:30 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>
>> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!
> Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] google

[behrouz khosravi]

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> Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?
>
>
I am sorry, google was on my mind the moment I posted!, I hate the amazon
advertizements!

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Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Mick]

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On Saturday 11 Jul 2015 02:12:40 behrouz khosravi wrote:
> > Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?
> 
> I am sorry, google was on my mind the moment I posted!, I hate the amazon
> advertizements!

All these companies are the same.  Google just happens to have a bigger share 
of internet searches than others, almost a monopoly, but others have a bigger 
share of your purchasing habits, reading interests, etc.  With the increasing 
digitalisation of social and economic activity, profiling of individuals now 
happens online.

Falling off the grid is not practical for most non-hermits, but I guess it is 
a choice still available to us.

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Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: google

[James]

behrouz khosravi <bz.khosravi <at> gmail.com> writes:


> Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!

Perhaps you need something simple, like startpage?


https://www.startpage.com/