From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SZz9i-0000mp-Lr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:46:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1CCFE07D8; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B454CE0507 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbuo19 with SMTP id uo19so1015448obb.40 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:44:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aCGQGEFfKoyiVQKafa0do4/MfxU/IjJK7QGAtzWe+cw=; b=srlE6QUiiKZ2KvTWyUq3RWZt7We/sl1mIFOjer0zV+p+J4MAfae2skTgH2NDT8SY3p V9hq8s2FDS/aTu4Bfx0WTnDpjfftsrrzewEGh2/n5Yw40UU6/wDbaQlrv8duh0Y2I0tC tbrQR9HDU+GyWOClg51V+ahEi+kqPc38sbiQTKu6mnDEnFfgOuMcjVBEsadmB1zI5USV 5G2lIzgLzOGFBoBVCdSokAGuIoM52csg6gN/ec92CCaMiAHx3ldrxBcYf71NnymT9ELF Z6jHHGKcxk9l3OELD/sCwXIMTVGtlmwdbL6go6JW7iknSEmlHuAygGnB4rL0fZkNovqT sfMw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.151.113 with SMTP id up17mr858525obb.40.1338446686071; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.113.3 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:44:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120531005818.496cc0f1@khamul.example.com> References: <4FC0C217.6050302@binarywings.net> <4FC1EAFD.6010504@binarywings.net> <20120527231852.186a968f@khamul.example.com> <20120528225029.5e9181bd@khamul.example.com> <20120531005818.496cc0f1@khamul.example.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} hire a programmer or company? From: Grant To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: bb86a567-2605-40d7-a7ce-b3d289af5194 X-Archives-Hash: b294d86fd86dc5ed3e4c8d31a1cb6e58 >> >> > You can get away with almost anything except these two things: >> >> > >> >> > Do not micro-manage >> >> > Do not tell them how to do what they do >> >> >> >> Could you give me an example of this last one? >> > >> > - I see you are using Perl with hashrefs to do function xyz. Have >> > you considered (i.e. I would like you to) using >> > $INSERT_SOMETHING_HERE? >> >> So if I see a way that their coding could be improved (faster >> execution, greater legibility, etc) I just keep quiet about it? >> >> > - Wanting to personally review the code often. I've seen some >> > managers want to do this daily. >> >> How often should I read their code? =A0I was planning on reading it a >> lot. > > > Perhaps I was too literal. Those examples should be read in the context > of obsessively fiddling with someone else's work. Alternatively, doing > those examples and not producing anything worthwhile from doing it. > > Code reviews and suggestions are valuable, but there's a time and a > place and a forum for them. All productive teams eventually reserve a > time slot for review and demos of running code. You and the entire team > can and should discuss optimizations then. > > Let me put it another way - you likely don't like it if someone else > fiddles with your work while you are trying to do it, or gives > "helpful suggestions" while you are trying to concentrate. All I'm > saying is to avoid doing that to others. Good old common sense will > tell you when this is happening - you already know how to do it, no > need to analyze the thing any further than that Got it, thanks Alan and thanks everyone for helping with this. - Grant