From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-150711-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0763B1381F3 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA1AE0A6C; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3526E0A60 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q4so3254528qcx.40 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:32:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sauHmnLnf1UASEr0QYbPVO63ZVi0CPFTYhS/S13ELnM=; b=fC+0wQZ+nVWxY/IZO4HsZbttSaQQjLgmBL7tn7WTHxdCrdoCB8sqsZmR59QY2rTRNJ phIc2jIanZjGI0R2MzQj8xZ8lokUZHGSrG+xbUrDSWPhc025h6l8gOo1Gc352hk7QVSu ZB9IRE3e0ya90EyDNvjpZ02d0KHCd/Hr1M1ia+pS/hMg5krLJL/29ga2FSQnj83g0fzB FMDh9T9akIToQ8VLplBeycKZ1eHgE1ZrfDh/fcJYfH2sWei1qU/xB8QnfIz0pDK27jOi SW0AuaUY2h32/V5CLc6gSIB/qUmAedjJMyZ/94/7ijTc9KmvNXlnHtVcjbvV9G1aDUPC gLpg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.29.69 with SMTP id p5mr4054793qac.30.1379399540915; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.25.83 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:32:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAA2qdGXc3GsPg7PEVEjn_j4=VTBAZ_NEEV+9qh1t_D-rf1_MhA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAN0CFw0dkS=vCSXTPWyXDKOi=RVzKGEqXo56YiupvejfvJc1yQ@mail.gmail.com> <523445F3.2040200@libertytrek.org> <CAN0CFw3ez1VLfYcmGrnqH9P-rkD83EWFeZ96GQQhVeUNnn_=TQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAA2qdGXc3GsPg7PEVEjn_j4=VTBAZ_NEEV+9qh1t_D-rf1_MhA@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: <CAN0CFw04o6d-hw8MUuyFtsH-A+fytxgDK6LVzMvap30=3mkdFg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Need a new server From: Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> To: Gentoo mailing list <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: f0dac5d0-1ed6-4f68-a784-1a57cdddf093 X-Archives-Hash: 2fbf45071bcde7af7264de55526e47ac >>>> Is the Gentoo Software RAID + LVM guide the best place for RAID >>>> install info if I'm not using LVM and I'll have a hardware RAID >>>> controller? >>> >>> Not ready to take the ZFS plunge? That would greatly reduce the complexity >>> of RAID+LVM, since ZFS best practice is to set your hardware raid controller >>> to JBOD mode and let ZFS take care of the RAID - and no LVM required (ZFS >>> has mucho better tools). That is my next big project for when I switch to my >>> next new server. >>> >>> I'm just hoping I can get comfortable with a process for getting ZFS >>> compiled into the kernel that is workable/tenable for ongoing kernel updates >>> (with minimal fear of breaking things due to a complex/fragile >>> methodology)... >> >> That sounds interesting. I don't think I'm up to it this time around, >> but ZFS manages a RAID array better than a good hardware card? > > Yes. If you use ZFS to wrestle a JBOD array into its version of > RAID1+0, when comes time for resilvering (i.e., rebuilding a failed > drive), ZFS smartly only copies the used blocks and skips over unused > blocks. I'm seriously considering ZFS now. I'm going to start a new thread on that topic. - Grant >> It sounds like ZFS isn't included in the mainline kernel. Is it on its way in? >> > > Unlikely. There has been a discussion on that in this list, and there > is some concern that ZFS' license (CDDL) is not compatible with the > Linux kernel license (GPL), so never the twain shall be integrated. > > That said, if your kernel supports modules, it's a piece of cake to > compile the ZFS modules on your own. @ryao has a zfs-overlay you can > use to emerge ZFS as a module. > > If you have configured your kernel to not support modules, it's a bit > more work, but ZFS can still be integrated statically into the kernel. > > But the onus is on us ZFS users to do the necessary steps.