From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2DB1381F3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68B7521C0B9; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21AFF21C06B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id k14so1572539eaa.40 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JL1+JqworeWAhT3M9nHvqNrnFjDOgKxO3fT3EWY36RM=; b=EUCsSBQAWmtWP8tkimmwWL86mYP8rv4PpClYZR6c6nC/V0nWp+WgL+rjeLjCQl7D2O riLGPp8uEm26zLude0kKxwObnxmpltu4mTxbQqn2z4ojPKIpNeGLIZ6lpXj2JMQdHm5M Brjees20d664H7WvsznWt8CALuh4GnhmJ3Girb6ZR21PsmE0JNsvd4CugoYxjPbzCSQw 1g5RY3wXs98fbGLlEqNQwSaAQam7euGx1YBP90JXlFJxh8IorIinkJukVw+v+1ZOQCqe fIXDYDHN5mrCZaWUArZJrz882wvQKOQHq1FU61UAonyj9lXhMxT4S4o2gZtiU8Zl2goV Pqmg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.214.132 with SMTP id c4mr18372275eep.18.1355523253684; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.158.68 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121214152403.6ad0160c@khamul.example.com> References: <50CAE9D4.4000402@binarywings.net> <20121214152403.6ad0160c@khamul.example.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:14:13 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server? From: Grant To: Gentoo mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621df8054b8b04d0d75a08 X-Archives-Salt: 0b530303-f288-490f-8044-acbd7fa206c8 X-Archives-Hash: df8603639f156d8d9cb5308abfa76c70 --047d7b621df8054b8b04d0d75a08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud > > > > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud > > > > server concept is amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated > > > > server at the same price point far outperforms it. > > > > > > > > - Grant > > > > > > Last time I did the calculation, a dedicated or normal virtualized > > > infrastructure was more cost effective as long as you could > > > accurately predict the performance you need. > > > > > > Cloud services only really help if you need a high dynamic range > > > regarding scale and performance, e.g. a service that could get a > > > lot of new users very fast or is only really active for short time > > > spans. > > > > Doesn't a good cloud server also have potentially higher availability > > compared to dedicated? > > Potentially? Yes. > > In reality? No. > > It's not the virtualization that breaks, it's all the surrounding > infrastructure, especially Layer 2. You will not believe how fragile > that stuff can get. > > In the old days, a small slip up could isolate a small part of the > network. These days, a small slip-up easily ripples though the entire > network and takes down all of it, and sadly this is not rare. The > networking needs of VMs are radically different from the traditional, > and this is the side-effect: fragility. Sounds like the technology isn't ready to compare favorably with dedicated yet in an "ordinary" scenario with a website to run. Maybe in a few years? The concept is amazing. I'd also like to move my desktops and even laptops to the cloud once things get solidified. Then client hardware becomes interchangeable, disposable... each physical location would only need one thin client and a bunch of USB peripherals (DisplayLink, etc). - Grant --047d7b621df8054b8b04d0d75a08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server o= ver a cloud
> > > > server from a host with good cloud infra= structure? =A0The cloud
> > > > server concept is amazing bu= t from what I'm reading a dedicated
> > > > server at the same price point far outperforms it.
&= gt; > > >
> > > > - Grant
> > >
>= > > Last time I did the calculation, a dedicated or normal virtualiz= ed
> > > infrastructure was more cost effective as long as you could<= br>> > > accurately predict the performance you need.
> >= >
> > > Cloud services only really help if you need a high = dynamic range
> > > regarding scale and performance, e.g. a service that could g= et a
> > > lot of new users very fast or is only really active = for short time
> > > spans.
> >
> > Doesn'= ;t a good cloud server also have potentially higher availability
> > compared to dedicated?
>
> Potentially? Yes.
><= br>> In reality? No.
>
> It's not the virtualization tha= t breaks, it's all the surrounding
> infrastructure, especially L= ayer 2. You will not believe how fragile
> that stuff can get.
>
> In the old days, a small slip up c= ould isolate a small part of the
> network. These days, a small slip-= up easily ripples though the entire
> network and takes down all of i= t, and sadly this is not rare. The
> networking needs of VMs are radically different from the traditional,<= br>> and this is the side-effect: fragility.

Sounds like the= technology isn't ready to compare favorably with dedicated yet in an &= quot;ordinary" scenario with a website to run. =A0Maybe in a few years= ? =A0The concept is amazing. =A0I'd also like to move my desktops and e= ven laptops to the cloud once things get solidified. Then client hardware b= ecomes interchangeable, disposable... each physical location would only nee= d one thin client and a bunch of USB peripherals (DisplayLink, etc).

- Grant
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