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From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbaumd181@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2022 17:56:31 -0500
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Dave
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 11:42 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I
> > > wonder, could one install the LVM stuff and use that? That would be
> > > interesting. I wonder if there is a NAS software that uses LVM
> > > instead. Interesting thought. I just may go bug google on that one.
> o_O
> >
> > Maybe I'm missing the point but why would you want LVM on a
> > storage pool? If I'm doing backups I just want space. I let TrueNas
> > put it on disk and give it back if asked. Why put another layer
> > of indirection?
> >
> > If you're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the only copy
> > of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might
> > be interesting, but then you need a second TrueNAS box
> > to back that up. NAS as a mountable data location is
> > different than NAS doing backups which is what I thought
> > this thread was about. What am I not remembering?
> >
> > - Mark
> >
> >
> > It's more about me being more used to using LVM. Also, more used to
> Linux as well. BSD is not something I have much experience with and until
> recently, none with ZFS. Even the little experience I have with BSD was
> well over a decade ago, maybe two decades ago. I barely remember it really.
> >
> > By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I'm familiar with
> and less likely to mess up things. Things get messed up enough without
> adding more confusion. ;-)
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-) :-)
>
> Hummm...I don't know Dale, I don't know... ZFS is a file system.
> LVM is an abstraction on top (or underneath?) of a file system.
> My understanding of LVM is that it frees you from hard decisions
> on partition sizes, not that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5.
>
>
> That is true. Thing is, I've learned how to manage LVM even with
> encrypted data. I've also learned how to expand storage without losing
> data or getting confused about what I'm doing. To me, using LVM is pretty
> easy given the notes I have for the tasks I do most often.
>
>
> You may or may not know this but TrueNAS is available as a
> Linux version:
>
> https://www.truenas.com/blog/first-release-of-truenas-on-linux/
>
> I don't recommend it. It's new. Let someone else figure it out. However
> it might be more to your liking, and because it's Linux you'd be more
> comfortable messing it up. ;0-
>
> WRT you I recommend that you try living in NGL for a while. Possibly
> you are just a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of building packages
> 30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it provides value.
> Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting the system
> take care of itself. In the last year I've only updated my TrueNAS box
> twice that I can remember.
>
> On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy then
> Que Sera Sera .....
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>
>
>
> It's not that I want to compile things, it's that I want to use things I'm
> already really familiar with. If I bought a Raspberry Pi and built a NAS
> with it, I don't care if I compile the software on it or not as long as it
> has the software I need or I can install what I need. From what I've read,
> compiling on a Raspberry isn't much fun. It's very time consuming. Having
> a OS, binary one at that, that is Linux based is a big plus. I can run
> LVM, cryptsetup and such in likely every Linux distro out there and get the
> same result as on my Gentoo box. Switching to BSD, using ZFS, means I have
> to learn a whole new set of tools and methods. I had enough fun learning
> LVM and I don't think LVM is going to die anytime soon. It should be
> around for the foreseeable future. As it is, even now, I still don't get
> how ZFS works. I just followed a guide to get it working, sort of. It's
> still not encrypted. Figuring that out is next. That should be fun.
>
> My network card is out for delivery. A few days late but better than
> never I guess. I'll see if the drivers needed for it are available as
> modules or not. I suspect they are tho based on info in this thread.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Dave</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 11:42 AM Dale <<a href=3D"mailto:rdalek1967@gmail=
.com">rdalek1967@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
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=20
=20
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<div>Mark Knecht wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<br>
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale <<a href=3D"mailto:rdalek19=
67@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rdalek1967@gmail.com</a>=
>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Mark Knecht wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale <<a href=3D"mailto:rda=
lek1967@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rdalek1967@gmail.co=
m</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I<br>
> > wonder, could one install the LVM stuff and use that?=C2=
=A0
That would be<br>
> > interesting.=C2=A0 I wonder if there is a NAS software th=
at
uses LVM<br>
> > instead.=C2=A0 Interesting thought.=C2=A0 I just may go b=
ug
google on that one. =C2=A0o_O<br>
><br>
> Maybe I'm missing the point but why would you want LVM on =
a<br>
> storage pool? If I'm doing backups I just want space. I le=
t
TrueNas <br>
> put it on disk and give it back if asked. Why put another
layer<br>
> of indirection?<br>
><br>
> If you're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the
only copy<br>
> of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might<br>
> be interesting, but then you need a second TrueNAS box<br>
> to back that up. NAS as a mountable data location is<br>
> different than NAS doing backups which is what I thought<br>
> this thread was about. What am I not remembering?<br>
><br>
> - Mark<br>
><br>
><br>
> It's more about me being more used to using LVM.=C2=A0 Als=
o,
more used to Linux as well.=C2=A0 BSD is not something I have much
experience with and until recently, none with ZFS.=C2=A0 Even the
little experience I have with BSD was well over a decade ago,
maybe two decades ago.=C2=A0 I barely remember it really.<br>
><br>
> By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I=
9;m
familiar with and less likely to mess up things.=C2=A0 Things get
messed up enough without adding more confusion. =C2=A0;-)<br>
><br>
> Dale<br>
><br>
> :-) =C2=A0:-)
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hummm...I don't know Dale, I don't know... ZFS is a fi=
le
system.</div>
<div>LVM is an abstraction on top (or underneath?) of a file
system.</div>
<div>My understanding of LVM is that it frees you from hard
decisions</div>
<div>on partition sizes, not that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5.</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
That is true.=C2=A0 Thing is, I've learned how to manage LVM even w=
ith
encrypted data.=C2=A0 I've also learned how to expand storage witho=
ut
losing data or getting confused about what I'm doing.=C2=A0 To me, =
using
LVM is pretty easy given the notes I have for the tasks I do most
often.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>You may or may not know this but TrueNAS is available as a=C2=
=A0</div>
<div>Linux version:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://www.truenas.com/blog/first-release-of-truen=
as-on-linux/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.truenas.com/=
blog/first-release-of-truenas-on-linux/</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't recommend it. It's new. Let someone else figur=
e it
out. However</div>
<div>it might be more to your liking, and because it's Linux
you'd be more</div>
<div>comfortable messing it up. ;0-</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>WRT you I recommend that you try living in NGL for a while.
Possibly=C2=A0</div>
<div>you are just a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of
building packages=C2=A0</div>
<div>30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it
provides value.=C2=A0</div>
<div>Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting the
system=C2=A0</div>
<div>take care of itself. In the last year I've only updated my
TrueNAS box</div>
<div>twice that I can remember.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy
then</div>
<div>Que Sera Sera .....</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good luck,</div>
<div>Mark</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
It's not that I want to compile things, it's that I want to use
things I'm already really familiar with.=C2=A0 If I bought a Raspbe=
rry Pi
and built a NAS with it, I don't care if I compile the software on
it or not as long as it has the software I need or I can install
what I need.=C2=A0 From what I've read, compiling on a Raspberry is=
n't
much fun.=C2=A0 It's very time consuming. Having a OS, binary one a=
t
that, that is Linux based is a big plus.=C2=A0 I can run LVM, cryptsetu=
p
and such in likely every Linux distro out there and get the same
result as on my Gentoo box.=C2=A0 Switching to BSD, using ZFS, means I
have to learn a whole new set of tools and methods.=C2=A0 I had enough
fun learning LVM and I don't think LVM is going to die anytime
soon.=C2=A0 It should be around for the foreseeable future.=C2=A0 As it=
is,
even now, I still don't get how ZFS works.=C2=A0 I just followed a =
guide
to get it working, sort of.=C2=A0 It's still not encrypted.=C2=A0 F=
iguring
that out is next.=C2=A0 That should be fun.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
My network card is out for delivery.=C2=A0 A few days late but better
than never I guess.=C2=A0 I'll see if the drivers needed for it are
available as modules or not.=C2=A0 I suspect they are tho based on info
in this thread.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
Dale <br>
<br>
:-)=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 <br>
</div>
</blockquote></div>
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