Mark Knecht wrote:

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark Knecht wrote:
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> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I
> > wonder, could one install the LVM stuff and use that?  That would be
> > interesting.  I wonder if there is a NAS software that uses LVM
> > instead.  Interesting thought.  I just may go bug google on that one.  o_O
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> Maybe I'm missing the point but why would you want LVM on a
> storage pool? If I'm doing backups I just want space. I let TrueNas
> put it on disk and give it back if asked. Why put another layer
> of indirection?
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> If you're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the only copy
> of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might
> be interesting, but then you need a second TrueNAS box
> to back that up. NAS as a mountable data location is
> different than NAS doing backups which is what I thought
> this thread was about. What am I not remembering?
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> - Mark
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> It's more about me being more used to using LVM.  Also, more used to Linux as well.  BSD is not something I have much experience with and until recently, none with ZFS.  Even the little experience I have with BSD was well over a decade ago, maybe two decades ago.  I barely remember it really.
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> By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I'm familiar with and less likely to mess up things.  Things get messed up enough without adding more confusion.  ;-)
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> Dale
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> :-)  :-)

Hummm...I don't know Dale, I don't know... ZFS is a file system.

LVM is an abstraction on top (or underneath?) of a file system.

My understanding of LVM is that it frees you from hard decisions

on partition sizes, not that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5.

That is true.  Thing is, I've learned how to manage LVM even with encrypted data.  I've also learned how to expand storage without losing data or getting confused about what I'm doing.  To me, using LVM is pretty easy given the notes I have for the tasks I do most often. 

You may or may not know this but TrueNAS is available as a 

Linux version:

https://www.truenas.com/blog/first-release-of-truenas-on-linux/

I don't recommend it. It's new. Let someone else figure it out. However

it might be more to your liking, and because it's Linux you'd be more

comfortable messing it up. ;0-

WRT you I recommend that you try living in NGL for a while. Possibly 

you are just a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of building packages 

30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it provides value. 

Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting the system 

take care of itself. In the last year I've only updated my TrueNAS box

twice that I can remember.

On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy then

Que Sera Sera .....

Good luck,

Mark

It's not that I want to compile things, it's that I want to use things I'm already really familiar with.  If I bought a Raspberry Pi and built a NAS with it, I don't care if I compile the software on it or not as long as it has the software I need or I can install what I need.  From what I've read, compiling on a Raspberry isn't much fun.  It's very time consuming. Having a OS, binary one at that, that is Linux based is a big plus.  I can run LVM, cryptsetup and such in likely every Linux distro out there and get the same result as on my Gentoo box.  Switching to BSD, using ZFS, means I have to learn a whole new set of tools and methods.  I had enough fun learning LVM and I don't think LVM is going to die anytime soon.  It should be around for the foreseeable future.  As it is, even now, I still don't get how ZFS works.  I just followed a guide to get it working, sort of.  It's still not encrypted.  Figuring that out is next.  That should be fun. 

My network card is out for delivery.  A few days late but better than never I guess.  I'll see if the drivers needed for it are available as modules or not.  I suspect they are tho based on info in this thread. 

Dale

:-)  :-)