From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AB191395E2 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3532CE0CF3; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com (mail-wm0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 733DBE0CE6 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id t79so21675901wmt.0 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:45:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rtKUAwJRMoPcu4vdSDioOoTzh0MkruBLgQVQS6spyLk=; b=YJvKQHoGgg2zHpIBbKGZSgRtTQLSrvZu9eDfUJy0SQdJfV+HJ88NR3H6O2YSX7NiXI lXQYFQ6bvvIl7T6ANDUlgQo4u+zmR8YPVqVuzqd8HidySdwncvp2OT7z4Sj1QMzaLL5v uFGAr80n6v0VuVGtOBrPfddqMYuiJeaMN/hkHa7IRp2aF9NIrdX8zdgQ8dzusOngEv8k PH6AlBC9GPRgq8rx3mxEm863OBM9uljpG6QBgKUwOR468SD0kPH8CVSK+vw7XY9Mm2uV GuTDV8J2sW+bobrZN1AI8EERRAZMQW3AqRR9XhZzhymvnHOZ6x1sXrttx3ZGkR4SvokW DLrw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rtKUAwJRMoPcu4vdSDioOoTzh0MkruBLgQVQS6spyLk=; b=KmZKdQUhOctPlu/p/rpLkZb8uZQlmw7RR2EMiX8PA1mPn38nXSImlj14QJ7vQxodcr K/DQcugV1ojMw55bQGdheaptj958Ph2zRuiBsXl8IEFzokSAljbgz3MSeBYh4Gm48gnV mtQAKZNj4XsP1B/aCve5Gl4OIE7ZBEwp8dW3IZzQFZirbd36PtW/yDMAC3Hr0RnJ8Ytb zmAeR6mg0HpvI9VjcKB4ndOx0eqoi9lB2IFGkQg9O2BZKAQqlKscPESsVrd6/9R5kj78 GB3S+Nd0vFUFRyFUQdBF6m1hhZ+c802cfxaz927gL9GWmtoRJvGjwlGcSp2v4m7wCHMU g4Aw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdmqSMSQ3SiMDe0c/mSO/zEVxKpwMYIoZi1ATyP0TaJp5GUnIlyxpLdrx959UlVXQ/FkZdbVyyHS1Mjhw== X-Received: by 10.25.206.3 with SMTP id e3mr7986348lfg.42.1479239145995; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:45:45 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.160.74 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:45:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20161114233843.GA17594@bonus.content> <20161115173404.6045.1B7B6629@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> From: Jorge Almeida Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:45:25 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome intrusion? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 68a6afea-c54b-40c2-bbbb-baafd0ed9391 X-Archives-Hash: 4e2a410838cfac55e7a6fbe9f888c781 On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 15/11/2016 21:23, Jorge Almeida wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >>> On 2016-11-14 23:52, Jorge Almeida wrote: >>> >>>> Good to know. I'm currently testing openbox without dbus-launch. No >>>> problem yet. >>> >>> Do you _know_ a reason you need dbus, at all? >> >> No. >> >>> >>> If you don't, you don't need it ;-) >> >> I would like to believe that. >> >>> >>> Typically, a lot of GUI apps have dbus as a soft dependency for the sole >>> purpose of avoiding multiple instances. So starting the app for the >>> second time just activates (in some general sense) the old window. >> >> Seems harmless enough. But how did they manage to convince nearly >> everybody that dbus is the best invention next to sliced bread? > > > because dbus is actually a *good* thing for gui environments more than a > simple window manager? > > Because ONE ipc mechanism - dbus - can replace a plethora of home-grown, > half-baked ipc methods that in total consume far more resources than dbus? > > dbus is a message bus, that's all it is. Simple. light, easy, gets the > job done in environments where lots of bits have to chat to each other. > Sure. Discussing details is beyond my league. Nevertheless, I cannot help thinking "vendor locking". Others may disagree about the "simple" and "light" (http://skarnet.org/software/skabus/) but I'm not qualified to decide... Jorge Almeida