From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 242C31395E2 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4191E0B7F; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f195.google.com (mail-qt0-f195.google.com [209.85.216.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71C11E0B6A for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f195.google.com with SMTP id l20so12186170qta.1 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:42:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=THm2Foc9IazQ9wFkvPK8Q3Hg4ginWd88qH/CTfnAgpA=; b=PTDDVe44v55kPrp8+phkRaU6xYeEwS9UepLmYSoZAUc2eGix5i8Z6vmIffot3jTuWA NYr5WEu1Zb53mvu+83eyA0GEWir4hLNIAIoBpm4J1JeO1zY2bsvSI+KAi32lBLBcPCs5 8p3xq0hppDYsV/stF2VHXT+OqsFn2WZ2qm+oTacsEFtvNRCHJqbsEUpwGQ3EWW2sKhWE +abbtKd7APdigtMssYLiqfpMEY5pUQPcz+4aRfUlkmkeIcmYoLb48QG/bk55OTQ8RUbu XB623Ts6fQi3M9g+rWJlfGeLPXgIQw5oSiznWA1FQE9tYCsLdlNv2xuk7DMQxXMJINlC C2LA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=THm2Foc9IazQ9wFkvPK8Q3Hg4ginWd88qH/CTfnAgpA=; b=MPh5vc2NtMdmKa1BJvG9n9deXZTdopAWFVQo1WO/+PYJbjavXXtPou+RCk0q2b1ibJ WEsXj78SmbNIAznJ4ylWah2sAD1glE/eYcTYQR/ZWWMCuXwTtnnxkky4pNqYD8gnnm2t eM0HYrT5eKNaIrKldvHXx/dYXr0gfcpA/VbOTseth0S+Bx3OCfuRH7jlcGZDnxLFn1Ls 6CjKIqR1HjoInqcfIzqWVA5KZrkTCHPGdoehWdT/gE7XcUD4KZHBycgs5WY2KoyYvpm0 Al5Km5EiBfOBMHIqtN3N6h/UGPu2qeOmF6ZRAFaxVYSUPn9+j8jg7uUt/v7rjp3VKExt zrnw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdJFqArqFJNZ6KbHolB8pfXRFi+o0varK/vEPXAYVCrKyQ/d22OytEZhYzwT+jRATghPrV4y0t9bPWchg== X-Received: by 10.25.160.145 with SMTP id j139mr1657731lfe.67.1479321775308; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:42:55 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.160.74 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:42:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20161116124726.GA8424@g0n.xdwgrp> References: <20161114213743.55a5e76a@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> <20161116124726.GA8424@g0n.xdwgrp> From: Jorge Almeida Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:42:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] sans-dbus was: gnome intrusion? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 02fffa76-4ef6-4fdc-8711-15affcf8aff5 X-Archives-Hash: 22627073ff7fd1d0faaee24e8a4fef32 On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161114-21:49+0000, Jorge Almeida wrote: > I live without dbus. I've only recently noticed (can't be since long) > there is a dbus flag. > I knew Gentoo doesn't force the use of dbus, but I had the flag set, since I expected assorted breakages. For example, when viewing a pdf file, will updating the view when the file changes be possible without dbus? This is the kind of trouble I expect. Not the fault of Gentoo, anyway. As for the *kit stuff, I just don't have it. It's safe to do without that stuff, as far as I can tell. > > Also, I've noticed that our developers are lending an ear to sans-dbus > users, as they are getting way more packages then previosly that do not > depend in the least on dbus anymore (Firefox, Wireshark, Inkscape ... > well I don't use very many packages... Ah, not to forget, Qt5 now does > not depend on dbus, or D-Bus, used below...) > Yes. A couple of weeks ago, I needed alpine, which tried to pull PAM. The current ebuild already has PAM as an option, which is fine (didn't emerge it yet, though). So, it seems some packages have hard dependencies just because developers assumed "everybody uses it" or "nobody will mind", not due to some dark agenda. For my needs, Gentoo is the best distro out there. (Until recently, I used Slackware, as well as Gentoo. Had to give up on Slackware 14.2, with regret. Because pulseaudio,) Regards, Jorge