On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 9:37 AM Matthew Brooks <matthewfbrooks@posteo.net>
wrote:
>
> Hello!
>

Hi.

First, I cannot offer any insight into the PEP668 stuff. For me, it is what
it is.

> For clarity, I'm *not* looking for a workaround for my particular system.
My end goal (and not an easy one, granted) is to hopefully eventually make
a proper fix that makes it so no user of any distro ever needs to touch a
venv again if they don't want to.
>
> I'm only a hobbyist programmer, but since nearly every distro under the
sun went with the "externally managed environment" thing, it's clearly more
an issue of motivation/time rather than raw skill. So I figure maybe my
extreme distaste for the current solution might allow me to bash my head
against the problem long enough to make some headway.

Like you I am a hobbyist programmer and, in a _very_ general way agree with
your setup of "so no user of any distro ever needs to touch a venv again if
they don't want to". However my experience programming Python always leads
me towards the use of off-brand and sometimes poorly maintained Python
libraries that don't work in all python releases so I'm forced to use venv,
which for me works great. I also use a lot of CUDA stuff within Python and
tend, possibly due to my own lack of skills as a hobbyist, or just my
general paranoia about having to debug things I don't want to mess with, to
do _everything_ personal in a venv. Grant you, I never intend to release a
program to the public so to me it's most important to keep it working, and
clearly nothing about what you might end up suggesting stops me from doing
what you are interested in.

I wish you the best in your adventure.

Cheers,
Mark