[gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
advice?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
> it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
> couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
> advice?
>
> - Grant
>

Ugh...not a fun task.

First step - eix-sync  then emerge -fDuN @world and see if it will
fetch what you need. If it does, great. If not then you have a first
look into what sort of problems you'll be dealing with.

Good luck,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:37:06 -0800, Grant wrote:

> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
> it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
> couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
> advice?

Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first and be prepared to emerge
packages a few at a time.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Top Oxymorons Number 9: Political science

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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
>> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
>> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
>> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
>> it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
>> couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
>> advice?
>
> Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first and be prepared to emerge
> packages a few at a time.

Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest version.
emerging it again seems to want to update it again.  I get this:

# emerge -pv portage
[snip]
[ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses
readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples
-ipv6 -sqlite -tk -wininst" 11,494 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.41 [2.1.6.13] USE="(ipc%*)
-build -doc -epydoc -python2% -python3% (-selinux) (-less%*)"
LINGUAS="-pl" 899 kB
[blocks B     ] dev-lang/python:2.7 ("dev-lang/python:2.7" is blocking
sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13)
[blocks B     ] <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is
blocking dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3)

I think I'll be able to resolve most stuff myself but this one is
tricking me.  I don't want to mess around unmerging python or portage.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[EJ Vincent]

On 1/20/2012 5:37 PM, Grant wrote:
> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
> it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
> couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
> advice?
>
> - Grant
>

You will likely pull in the 'new' OpenRC ebuild during your update 
process (sys-apps/open-rc i believe).  Watch out for this!

If you merge it you must make sure all your configs are up to date in 
/etc or your server won't come back following a restart (etc-update, 
dispatch-conf, etc.).  You'll want to move over any settings in 
/etc/conf.d/rc to /etc/rc.conf.

Upgrade guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

Good luck.

-- 
EJ
ej@ejane.org

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Hinnerk van Bruinehsen]

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On 21.01.2012 00:09, Grant wrote:
>>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at
>>> all in at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.
>>> I've updated portage but I thought I should check with you guys
>>> before I plow ahead with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used
>>> for anything until I bring it up to speed and someone can
>>> physically log in and issue commands a couple times per week so
>>> an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any advice?
>> 
>> Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first and be prepared to
>> emerge packages a few at a time.
> 
> Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest version. 
> emerging it again seems to want to update it again.  I get this:
> 
> # emerge -pv portage [snip] [ebuild  NS   ]
> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses readline ssl
> threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples -ipv6
> -sqlite -tk -wininst" 11,494 kB [ebuild     U ]
> sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.41 [2.1.6.13] USE="(ipc%*) -build -doc
> -epydoc -python2% -python3% (-selinux) (-less%*)" LINGUAS="-pl" 899
> kB [blocks B     ] dev-lang/python:2.7 ("dev-lang/python:2.7" is
> blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13) [blocks B     ]
> <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is blocking
> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3)
> 
> I think I'll be able to resolve most stuff myself but this one is 
> tricking me.  I don't want to mess around unmerging python or
> portage.
> 
> - Grant
> 

You could do:

emerge =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2

You should disable "threads" if it doesn't work (there is something
related to it in the portage ebuild). After that, switch to python 2.6
 via eselect and try to update portage.
If I read the ebuilds correctly, that should work.

Another possibility would be to install a 3.x version of python and
switch portage to that (via the python3 useflag).

I'd try the python3 approach first, since it could spare you a 2.6
install.
Don't forget to run python-updater after updating everything or if you
get strange (python related) errorrs in between...

Good luck

Hinnerk
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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
>>> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
>>> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
>>> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
>>> it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
>>> couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
>>> advice?
>>
>> Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first and be prepared to emerge
>> packages a few at a time.
>
> Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest version.
> emerging it again seems to want to update it again.  I get this:
>
> # emerge -pv portage
> [snip]
> [ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses
> readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples
> -ipv6 -sqlite -tk -wininst" 11,494 kB
> [ebuild     U ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.41 [2.1.6.13] USE="(ipc%*)
> -build -doc -epydoc -python2% -python3% (-selinux) (-less%*)"
> LINGUAS="-pl" 899 kB
> [blocks B     ] dev-lang/python:2.7 ("dev-lang/python:2.7" is blocking
> sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13)
> [blocks B     ] <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is
> blocking dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3)
>
> I think I'll be able to resolve most stuff myself but this one is
> tricking me.  I don't want to mess around unmerging python or portage.
>
> - Grant
>

OK, so the install is old and portage has dependencies, right?

emerge -pvDuN portage

will get you closer. However this is probably best covered using
Neil's suggestion of

emerge -pvDuN @system

which would, if successful, update portage as well as everything else
that's required to get the machine up and running.

If that does work then don't forget all the eselect python &
gcc-config type stuff that you'll need to do to tell the system about
the new environment.

One little area you might want to be careful about here is grub. Best
IMO if you do not update grub until you have the machine actually
booting the updated environment, assuming we get that far.

HTH,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>> Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest version.
>> emerging it again seems to want to update it again.  I get this:
>>
>> # emerge -pv portage [snip] [ebuild  NS   ]
>> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses readline ssl
>> threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples -ipv6
>> -sqlite -tk -wininst" 11,494 kB [ebuild     U ]
>> sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.41 [2.1.6.13] USE="(ipc%*) -build -doc
>> -epydoc -python2% -python3% (-selinux) (-less%*)" LINGUAS="-pl" 899
>> kB [blocks B     ] dev-lang/python:2.7 ("dev-lang/python:2.7" is
>> blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13) [blocks B     ]
>> <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is blocking
>> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3)
>>
>> I think I'll be able to resolve most stuff myself but this one is
>> tricking me.  I don't want to mess around unmerging python or
>> portage.
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>
> You could do:
>
> emerge =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2
>
> You should disable "threads" if it doesn't work (there is something
> related to it in the portage ebuild). After that, switch to python 2.6
>  via eselect and try to update portage.
> If I read the ebuilds correctly, that should work.

I get:

# emerge -av1 =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2
[snip]
[ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses
readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples
-ipv6 -sqlite -tk -wininst" 10,840 kB
[blocks B     ] >=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6
(">=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6" is blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13)
[blocks B     ] <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is
blocking dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2)

Total: 6 packages (5 new, 1 in new slot), Size of downloads: 11,588 kB
Conflict: 2 blocks (2 unsatisfied)

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * installed at the same time on the same system.

  ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2', 'merge') pulled in by
    =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2

> Another possibility would be to install a 3.x version of python and
> switch portage to that (via the python3 useflag).

I get:

# emerge -av1 =dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3
[snip]
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 (masked by: EAPI 3)

The current version of portage supports EAPI '2'. You must upgrade to a
newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Philip Webb]

120120 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:37:06 -0800, Grant wrote:
>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all
>> in at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.
> Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first
> and be prepared to emerge packages a few at a time.

That's always the best way to update a Gentoo system.
I've never done a simple 'emerge -??? world' & hoped for the best
& have never run off the rails since first installing Gentoo 2003.
'emerge -Dup world' lists all the pkgs Portage wants to update
& shows the order in which it plans to tackle them :
you can use that to do a few pkgs at a time & as you do them,
check the output, warnings etc.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

> OK, so the install is old and portage has dependencies, right?
>
> emerge -pvDuN portage
>
> will get you closer. However this is probably best covered using
> Neil's suggestion of
>
> emerge -pvDuN @system

I can't even get started:

# emerge -avDuN system
[snip]
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
- sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)

The current version of portage supports EAPI '2'. You must upgrade to a
newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Mick]

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On Friday 20 Jan 2012 23:53:32 Philip Webb wrote:
> 120120 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:37:06 -0800, Grant wrote:
> >> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all
> >> in at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.
> > 
> > Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first
> > and be prepared to emerge packages a few at a time.
> 
> That's always the best way to update a Gentoo system.
> I've never done a simple 'emerge -??? world' & hoped for the best
> & have never run off the rails since first installing Gentoo 2003.
> 'emerge -Dup world' lists all the pkgs Portage wants to update
> & shows the order in which it plans to tackle them :
> you can use that to do a few pkgs at a time & as you do them,
> check the output, warnings etc.

Only to add use -1 instead of -u if you do not want these packages in your 
world file.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 01/20/12 18:58, Grant wrote:
>> OK, so the install is old and portage has dependencies, right?
>>
>> emerge -pvDuN portage
>>
>> will get you closer. However this is probably best covered using
>> Neil's suggestion of
>>
>> emerge -pvDuN @system
> 
> I can't even get started:
> 

Do you have some idea of what config files are important on the machine?
You can always extract a stage3 at the root. That basically installs the
latest @system for you, with the massive caveat that you won't have
CONFIG_PROTECTion.

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Hinnerk van Bruinehsen]

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On 21.01.2012 00:52, Grant wrote:
>>> Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest
>>> version. emerging it again seems to want to update it again.  I
>>> get this:
>>> 
>>> # emerge -pv portage [snip] [ebuild  NS   ] 
>>> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses readline
>>> ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples
>>> -ipv6 -sqlite -tk -wininst" 11,494 kB [ebuild     U ] 
>>> sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.41 [2.1.6.13] USE="(ipc%*) -build -doc 
>>> -epydoc -python2% -python3% (-selinux) (-less%*)" LINGUAS="-pl"
>>> 899 kB [blocks B     ] dev-lang/python:2.7
>>> ("dev-lang/python:2.7" is blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13)
>>> [blocks B     ] <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9
>>> ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is blocking 
>>> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3)
>>> 
>>> I think I'll be able to resolve most stuff myself but this one
>>> is tricking me.  I don't want to mess around unmerging python
>>> or portage.
>>> 
>>> - Grant
>>> 
>> 
>> You could do:
>> 
>> emerge =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2
>> 
>> You should disable "threads" if it doesn't work (there is
>> something related to it in the portage ebuild). After that,
>> switch to python 2.6 via eselect and try to update portage. If I
>> read the ebuilds correctly, that should work.
> 
> I get:
> 
> # emerge -av1 =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 [snip] [ebuild  NS   ]
> dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses readline ssl
> threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples -ipv6
> -sqlite -tk -wininst" 10,840 kB [blocks B     ]
> >=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6 (">=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6" is
> blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13) [blocks B     ]
> <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is blocking
> dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2)
> 
> Total: 6 packages (5 new, 1 in new slot), Size of downloads: 11,588
> kB Conflict: 2 blocks (2 unsatisfied)
> 
> * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be *
> installed at the same time on the same system.
> 
> ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2', 'merge') pulled in by 
> =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2
> 
>> Another possibility would be to install a 3.x version of python
>> and switch portage to that (via the python3 useflag).
> 
> I get:
> 
> # emerge -av1 =dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 [snip] !!! All ebuilds that
> could satisfy "=dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3" have been masked. !!! One
> of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request: - dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 (masked by: EAPI 3)
> 
> The current version of portage supports EAPI '2'. You must upgrade
> to a newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be
> installed.
> 
> - Grant
> 
Could you try:

emerge =python-2.6.6-r2 -v1


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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>>> You could do:
>>>
>>> emerge =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2
>>>
>>> You should disable "threads" if it doesn't work (there is
>>> something related to it in the portage ebuild). After that,
>>> switch to python 2.6 via eselect and try to update portage. If I
>>> read the ebuilds correctly, that should work.
>>
>> I get:
>>
>> # emerge -av1 =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 [snip] [ebuild  NS   ]
>> dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses readline ssl
>> threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples -ipv6
>> -sqlite -tk -wininst" 10,840 kB [blocks B     ]
>> >=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6 (">=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6" is
>> blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13) [blocks B     ]
>> <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is blocking
>> dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2)
>>
>> Total: 6 packages (5 new, 1 in new slot), Size of downloads: 11,588
>> kB Conflict: 2 blocks (2 unsatisfied)
>>
>> * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be *
>> installed at the same time on the same system.
>>
>> ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2', 'merge') pulled in by
>> =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2
>>
>>> Another possibility would be to install a 3.x version of python
>>> and switch portage to that (via the python3 useflag).
>>
>> I get:
>>
>> # emerge -av1 =dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 [snip] !!! All ebuilds that
>> could satisfy "=dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3" have been masked. !!! One
>> of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>> request: - dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>
>> The current version of portage supports EAPI '2'. You must upgrade
>> to a newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be
>> installed.
>>
>> - Grant
>>
> Could you try:
>
> emerge =python-2.6.6-r2 -v1

I get the same thing unfortunately.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:58:36 -0800, Grant wrote:

> # emerge -avDuN system
> [snip]
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
> been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
> request:
> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)

USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
may only get you as far as the next one.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>> # emerge -avDuN system
>> [snip]
>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>> been masked.
>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>> request:
>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>
> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
> may only get you as far as the next one.

I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
untarring a stage3 my only option?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 01/20/2012 09:42 PM, Grant wrote:
>>> # emerge -avDuN system
>>> [snip]
>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>>> been masked.
>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>> request:
>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>
>> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
>> may only get you as far as the next one.
>
> I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
> untarring a stage3 my only option?
>
> - Grant
>

You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,

   http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/

has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could 
try to replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you 
trouble.

This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g. 
`tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues 
to attempt.

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>>>> # emerge -avDuN system
>>>> [snip]
>>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>>>> been masked.
>>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>>> request:
>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>>
>>>
>>> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
>>> may only get you as far as the next one.
>>
>>
>> I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
>> untarring a stage3 my only option?
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>
> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
>
>  http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
>
> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could try to
> replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you trouble.
>
> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g.
> `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues to
> attempt.

The errors I'm getting seem to be complaining about emerging ebuilds
with a higher EAPI number than my portage has.  Should I just install
the latest portage binary package?  If so, how should I do that?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>>>>> # emerge -avDuN system
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>>>>> been masked.
>>>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>>>> request:
>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
>>>> may only get you as far as the next one.
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
>>> untarring a stage3 my only option?
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>>
>>
>> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
>>
>>  http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
>>
>> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could try to
>> replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you trouble.
>>
>> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g.
>> `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues to
>> attempt.
> 
> The errors I'm getting seem to be complaining about emerging ebuilds
> with a higher EAPI number than my portage has.  Should I just install
> the latest portage binary package?  If so, how should I do that?
> 
> - Grant
> 
> 


Only because I had to do this once myself.

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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[gentoo-user] Re: Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Francesco Talamona]

On Saturday 21 January 2012, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 01/20/2012 09:42 PM, Grant wrote:
> >>> # emerge -avDuN system
> >>> [snip]
> >>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028"
> >>> have been masked.
> >>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete
> >>> your request:
> >>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
> >>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
> >> 
> >> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block,
> >> although it may only get you as far as the next one.
> > 
> > I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
> > untarring a stage3 my only option?
> > 
> > - Grant
> 
> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
> 
>    http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
> 
> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could
> try to replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving
> you trouble.
> 
> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break
> e.g. `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have
> two rescues to attempt.

Stage3 isn't your only option, keep it as the least.

In addition to Michael's good advice let me add that in your place I 
would start unmerging every package not strictly needed for the task, 
too many things changed in the last two years. I would leave only eix, 
gentoolkit... I would also remove extra USE flags.

Another advice is: stabilize the system (emerge --depclean and revdep-
rebuild) before syncing portage, but from what I understand is too late, 
it seems you already synced portage tree.

Another idea is to sync to an old portage version, doing your upgrade in 
several big step instead of a single giant leap, take a look at this 
link (maybe there are older around):

http://ftp.twaren.net/Gentoo/snapshots/

Good luck
	Francesco

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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[James Broadhead]

On 21 January 2012 04:48, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> # emerge -avDuN system
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>>>>> been masked.
>>>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>>>> request:
>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
>>>> may only get you as far as the next one.
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
>>> untarring a stage3 my only option?
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>>
>>
>> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
>>
>>  http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
>>
>> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could try to
>> replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you trouble.
>>
>> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g.
>> `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues to
>> attempt.
>
> The errors I'm getting seem to be complaining about emerging ebuilds
> with a higher EAPI number than my portage has.  Should I just install
> the latest portage binary package?  If so, how should I do that?
>
> - Grant

What you need to do is upgrade portage incrementally, to increase your
available EAPI.
Versions available are ;
sys-apps/portage
     Available versions:  [M]2.1.6.7 2.1.6.13 2.1.10.11 2.1.10.41 (~)2.1.10.44

Try upgrading to 2.1.6.13 first, then 2.1.10.41 (perhaps with
intermediaries in between)

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>>>>>> # emerge -avDuN system
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>>>>>> been masked.
>>>>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>>>>> request:
>>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
>>>>> may only get you as far as the next one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
>>>> untarring a stage3 my only option?
>>>>
>>>> - Grant
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
>>>
>>>  http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
>>>
>>> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could try to
>>> replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you trouble.
>>>
>>> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g.
>>> `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues to
>>> attempt.
>>
>> The errors I'm getting seem to be complaining about emerging ebuilds
>> with a higher EAPI number than my portage has.  Should I just install
>> the latest portage binary package?  If so, how should I do that?
>>
>> - Grant
>
> What you need to do is upgrade portage incrementally, to increase your
> available EAPI.
> Versions available are ;
> sys-apps/portage
>     Available versions:  [M]2.1.6.7 2.1.6.13 2.1.10.11 2.1.10.41 (~)2.1.10.44
>
> Try upgrading to 2.1.6.13 first, then 2.1.10.41 (perhaps with
> intermediaries in between)

I'm on 2.1.6.13 currently and I get EAPI errors when I try to emerge
anything so I need a higher version.  If I try for 2.1.10.11 I get:

# emerge -av1 =portage-2.1.10.11
[snip]
[ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses
readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples
-ipv6 -sqlite -tk -wininst" 11,494 kB
[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.11 [2.1.6.13] USE="(ipc%*)
less -build -doc -epydoc -python2% -python3% (-selinux)" LINGUAS="-pl"
830 kB
*** Portage will stop merging at this point and reload itself,
    then resume the merge.
[blocks B     ] dev-lang/python:2.7 ("dev-lang/python:2.7" is blocking
sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13)
[blocks B     ] <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is
blocking dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3)

Total: 12 packages (5 upgrades, 6 new, 1 in new slot, 1 uninstall),
Size of downloads: 16,070 kB
Conflict: 3 blocks (2 unsatisfied)

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * installed at the same time on the same system.

  ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3', 'merge') pulled in by
    dev-lang/python:2.7 required by ('ebuild', '/',
'sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.11', 'merge')

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 01/20/2012 11:48 PM, Grant wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
>>
>>   http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
>>
>> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could try to
>> replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you trouble.
>>
>> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g.
>> `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues to
>> attempt.
>
> The errors I'm getting seem to be complaining about emerging ebuilds
> with a higher EAPI number than my portage has.  Should I just install
> the latest portage binary package?  If so, how should I do that?
>

All of those tinderbox tarballs are just archives to be extracted in /. 
For portage specifically, I'd follow the guide that Dale posted, since 
it takes care not to clobber your configs.

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>>>>>> # emerge -avDuN system
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have
>>>>>> been masked.
>>>>>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>>>>>> request:
>>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
>>>>>> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> USE="-pam" emerge @system will avoid that particular block, although it
>>>>> may only get you as far as the next one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seem to get an error like this from whatever I try to emerge.  Is
>>>> untarring a stage3 my only option?
>>>>
>>>> - Grant
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't have to do the entire stage3 at once,
>>>
>>>  http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/
>>>
>>> has precompiled packages for the major arches and profiles. You could try to
>>> replace just pambase, pam, python, etc. -- whatever's giving you trouble.
>>>
>>> This was not my first recommendation because I've managed to break e.g.
>>> `tar` and `cp` before in the attempt at which point you have two rescues to
>>> attempt.
>>
>> The errors I'm getting seem to be complaining about emerging ebuilds
>> with a higher EAPI number than my portage has.  Should I just install
>> the latest portage binary package?  If so, how should I do that?
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>>
>
>
> Only because I had to do this once myself.
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml

From that link:

"If your currently installed version of python reported by python -V
is less than 2.6 then you must choose a version of portage that is
compatible with it. If you have at least python 2.6 then use
portage-2.1.10.41.tar.bz2. If you have python 2.4 or 2.5 then use
portage-2.1.6.tar.bz2."

I get:

# python -V
Python 2.5.2

and I'm already on portage-2.1.6.13 which is non-functional since it
doesn't have high enough EAPI support for current ebuilds.

I think I'm stuck between a python and portage upgrade.  I can't
update python with my current portage and I can't update portage with
my current python.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Daniel da Veiga]

If its not being used and outage is not a problem, I would recommend
reinstalling. I'm against doying it, but 2 years is a lot, if you have
any servers (MySQL, PHP) it would be an issue, you'll have MAJOR
changes to X, OpenRC and I'm not even talking about the kernel, udev,
etc.

I would back it up and reinstall, guess it would take less time and be
way smoother.

Just my 2 cents...

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 20:37, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in
> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated
> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead
> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring
> it up to speed and someone can physically log in and issue commands a
> couple times per week so an outage isn't the end of the world.  Any
> advice?
>
> - Grant
>



-- 
Daniel da Veiga

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Stroller]

On 20 January 2012, at 23:58, Grant wrote:

>> OK, so the install is old and portage has dependencies, right?
>> 
>> emerge -pvDuN portage
>> 
>> will get you closer. However this is probably best covered using
>> Neil's suggestion of
>> 
>> emerge -pvDuN @system
> 
> I can't even get started:
> 
> # emerge -avDuN system
> [snip]
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "" have
> been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4)
> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (masked by: EAPI 3)
> 
> The current version of portage supports EAPI '2'. You must upgrade to a
> newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed.


You can get pambase-20081028 from the Gentoo CVS attic [1], add it to your local overlay and emerge it. Once that is done you can carry on, but you'll probably find more blockers, and you'll have to do the same thing again a few times until you can upgrade to the current version of Portage (or whatever).

I have done this 2 or 3 times in the past and it is normally viable - it's just a HUGE pain and will have you pulling your hair out.

Alternatively, if you can find Portage snapshots which break up the updating period then this will reduce the pain. Ideally what you want to do is find a snapshot which is 4 - 6 months newer than your last update and update to that. I would probably update --deep, though safest is to update most every package on the system. Once you have updated that far, make a new update for another 6 months newer, and so on until you're current.

I have here the following snapshots:

portage.snapshot.2009-04-12.tar.xz
portage.snapshot.2009-07-01.tar.bz2
portage.snapshot.2009-12-20.tar.bz2
portage.snapshot.2010-01-28.tar.bz2
portage.snapshot.2010-02-23.tar.bz2
portage.snapshot.2010-03-30.tar.bz2
portage.snapshot.2010-10-07.tar.bz2

I highly recommend you use them. The ebuilds you need (for example an older pambase) will be in the snapshot and they'll be unmasked. When you emerge the package it will simply get the older releases from Sourceforge or wherever.

Email me directly and I'll sort out some way to send these to you.

Stroller.


[1] http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/
Unfortunately the attic is timing out for me right now, so I can't give you a more direct link.

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Chris Walters]

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On 1/21/2012 01:56 PM, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> If its not being used and outage is not a problem, I would recommend
> reinstalling. I'm against doying it, but 2 years is a lot, if you have
> any servers (MySQL, PHP) it would be an issue, you'll have MAJOR
> changes to X, OpenRC and I'm not even talking about the kernel, udev,
> etc.
> 
> I would back it up and reinstall, guess it would take less time and be
> way smoother.
> 
> Just my 2 cents...

I agree.  I once tried something similar and after a couple of weeks of
virtually endless frustration, I decided to do a fresh install of the latest
version of Gentoo.

I wholeheartedly agree that it would take far less time and be far smoother.

To the OP:  If you don't have a good way of backing up your important data,
just Google "RIPLinuX" (not case sensitive).  Actually I'll just give you the
link to the site:

http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/

Kent Robotti is the creator and maintainer of "Rescue is Possible Linux".  He
has several versions, and that all contain DAR, and now also contain 32 and 64
bit versions of the kernel.  If you can boot this system you are trying to
update into Riplinux, then you can back up everything with DAR and reinstall
without the worry of losing anything.

Chris


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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:57:32 -0800, Grant wrote:

> "If your currently installed version of python reported by python -V
> is less than 2.6 then you must choose a version of portage that is
> compatible with it. If you have at least python 2.6 then use
> portage-2.1.10.41.tar.bz2. If you have python 2.4 or 2.5 then use
> portage-2.1.6.tar.bz2."
> 
> I get:
> 
> # python -V
> Python 2.5.2
> 
> and I'm already on portage-2.1.6.13 which is non-functional since it
> doesn't have high enough EAPI support for current ebuilds.
> 
> I think I'm stuck between a python and portage upgrade.  I can't
> update python with my current portage and I can't update portage with
> my current python.

The blockages you posted relate to Python 2.7 and the latest portage.
What happens if you install python:2.6, either through portage or a
tarball.

Try emerge -1a python:2.6

or put >dev-lang/python-2.7 in package.mask.

...

Thinking about it, judicious use of package.mask to limit portage to
small incremental upgrades may be the best approach.

-- 
Neil Bothwick

How stupid are people?  Send me  to find out.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>> "If your currently installed version of python reported by python -V
>> is less than 2.6 then you must choose a version of portage that is
>> compatible with it. If you have at least python 2.6 then use
>> portage-2.1.10.41.tar.bz2. If you have python 2.4 or 2.5 then use
>> portage-2.1.6.tar.bz2."
>>
>> I get:
>>
>> # python -V
>> Python 2.5.2
>>
>> and I'm already on portage-2.1.6.13 which is non-functional since it
>> doesn't have high enough EAPI support for current ebuilds.
>>
>> I think I'm stuck between a python and portage upgrade.  I can't
>> update python with my current portage and I can't update portage with
>> my current python.
>
> The blockages you posted relate to Python 2.7 and the latest portage.
> What happens if you install python:2.6, either through portage or a
> tarball.
>
> Try emerge -1a python:2.6

I get:

# emerge -1a python:2.6
[snip]
[ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses
readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples
-ipv6 -sqlite -tk -wininst"
[blocks B     ] >=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6
(">=dev-lang/python-2.6.6:2.6" is blocking sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.13)
[blocks B     ] <sys-apps/portage-2.1.9 ("<sys-apps/portage-2.1.9" is
blocking dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2)

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * installed at the same time on the same system.

  ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2', 'merge') pulled in by
    python:2.6

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[James Broadhead]

Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of
python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to
bootstrap your way towards modernity.

This is all explained here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml

This may also help
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

> Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of
> python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to
> bootstrap your way towards modernity.
>
> This is all explained here:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml
>
> This may also help
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html

That last one mentioned --nodeps which gave me an idea.  I did 'emerge
-pv python' then emerged all of the packages listed with --nodeps so
portage wouldn't complain.  Portage wouldn't work after that until I
switched back to python:2.5 with eselect.  Then I emerged portage to
the latest version (which switched back to python:2.6) and I'm hoping
I can make some good progress before I come crying back to you guys
again.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>> Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of
>> python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to
>> bootstrap your way towards modernity.
>>
>> This is all explained here:
>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml
>>
>> This may also help
>> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html
>
> That last one mentioned --nodeps which gave me an idea.  I did 'emerge
> -pv python' then emerged all of the packages listed with --nodeps so
> portage wouldn't complain.  Portage wouldn't work after that until I
> switched back to python:2.5 with eselect.  Then I emerged portage to
> the latest version (which switched back to python:2.6) and I'm hoping
> I can make some good progress before I come crying back to you guys
> again.
>
> - Grant

I just did a 'ls -ltr /var/log/portage' and this thing hasn't been
updated in over 3 years.  Wow.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:26:25 -0800
Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of
> >> python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to
> >> bootstrap your way towards modernity.
> >>
> >> This is all explained here:
> >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml
> >>
> >> This may also help
> >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html
> >
> > That last one mentioned --nodeps which gave me an idea.  I did
> > 'emerge -pv python' then emerged all of the packages listed with
> > --nodeps so portage wouldn't complain.  Portage wouldn't work after
> > that until I switched back to python:2.5 with eselect.  Then I
> > emerged portage to the latest version (which switched back to
> > python:2.6) and I'm hoping I can make some good progress before I
> > come crying back to you guys again.
> >
> > - Grant
> 
> I just did a 'ls -ltr /var/log/portage' and this thing hasn't been
> updated in over 3 years.  Wow.
> 
> - Grant
> 

Honestly, it's not worth trying to update it using portage. Just backup
everything on it and do a re-install.

Trying to update it will be a recursive process, repeated many times
over, including manually building compatible pythons and dealing with
the inevitable issues that arise. Then you still have the X migration
issues to deal with, you still have to deal with openrc, with massive
pam changes in the last 3 years, and who knows what else.

So you will slowly and painfully replace many packages outside of
portage to fix this. A reinstall will do the same thing but with much
less personal pain :-)

If however, you want to do this as a learning exercise then by all means
proceed. You will gain useful knowledge (but I think you already have
that knowledge)



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Mark Knecht]

Sorry about top posting but I'm on the Kindle. How are you set for
disk space? Consider creating a new partition and building a new
install in a chroot. When it works then change grub and boot it for
real. At least that won't hurt your working install.

Cheers,
Mark

On 1/22/12, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of
>>> python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to
>>> bootstrap your way towards modernity.
>>>
>>> This is all explained here:
>>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml
>>>
>>> This may also help
>>> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html
>>
>> That last one mentioned --nodeps which gave me an idea.  I did 'emerge
>> -pv python' then emerged all of the packages listed with --nodeps so
>> portage wouldn't complain.  Portage wouldn't work after that until I
>> switched back to python:2.5 with eselect.  Then I emerged portage to
>> the latest version (which switched back to python:2.6) and I'm hoping
>> I can make some good progress before I come crying back to you guys
>> again.
>>
>> - Grant
>
> I just did a 'ls -ltr /var/log/portage' and this thing hasn't been
> updated in over 3 years.  Wow.
>
> - Grant
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

[Grant]

>> >> Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of
>> >> python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to
>> >> bootstrap your way towards modernity.
>> >>
>> >> This is all explained here:
>> >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml
>> >>
>> >> This may also help
>> >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html
>> >
>> > That last one mentioned --nodeps which gave me an idea.  I did
>> > 'emerge -pv python' then emerged all of the packages listed with
>> > --nodeps so portage wouldn't complain.  Portage wouldn't work after
>> > that until I switched back to python:2.5 with eselect.  Then I
>> > emerged portage to the latest version (which switched back to
>> > python:2.6) and I'm hoping I can make some good progress before I
>> > come crying back to you guys again.
>> >
>> > - Grant
>>
>> I just did a 'ls -ltr /var/log/portage' and this thing hasn't been
>> updated in over 3 years.  Wow.
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>
> Honestly, it's not worth trying to update it using portage. Just backup
> everything on it and do a re-install.
>
> Trying to update it will be a recursive process, repeated many times
> over, including manually building compatible pythons and dealing with
> the inevitable issues that arise. Then you still have the X migration
> issues to deal with, you still have to deal with openrc, with massive
> pam changes in the last 3 years, and who knows what else.
>
> So you will slowly and painfully replace many packages outside of
> portage to fix this. A reinstall will do the same thing but with much
> less personal pain :-)
>
> If however, you want to do this as a learning exercise then by all means
> proceed. You will gain useful knowledge (but I think you already have
> that knowledge)

I'm crazy so I updated the thing.  It was my first-ever Gentoo install
and I guess I've got a soft spot for it.  Thanks to --nodeps I didn't
have to resort to installing anything outside of portage.  I'm 99%
done but I lost my connection to the machine and now I can't
reconnect:

# ssh 1.2.3.4
Password:
PTY allocation request failed on channel 0

Thanks to you guys:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/206090

I'm pretty sure I need to have the following done when someone is
onsite tomorrow:

mount -t devpts none /dev/pts

If that doesn't work I think I'll try rebooting.  Is there anything I
should make sure I do before I reboot for the first time since taking
this on?  It will boot into the same 2.6.25-hardened kernel.  I've
updated all packages except firefox, mesa, and xorg-server I think,
but I don't need X working yet.  I've updated /etc/fstab.  etc-update
is done.

One thing I'm shaky about is madwifi.  I'll still be relying on
madwifi-ng and ath0 for network connectivity until I configure a new
kernel with ath5k support.  I hope it still works after rebooting into
all those updated packages.

- Grant