From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2893158020 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2022 20:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78748E0893; Thu, 8 Dec 2022 20:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com (mail-lf1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0379EE0839 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2022 20:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id y25so3688283lfa.9 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2022 12:06:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xRSMdgud8YOu2GDC+kBPINPSJIQochqOGaVE12j2GtE=; b=qZdFuUa7z+i+1Q278XVaG0qNlpiSt0r9FggOzg8/shDB6vqoH8WdvTe0kgkZttC0/L jYdXbmdvNWgMlU4wQK+Y3iNXgSvvs+4ZJebDo/MVcyshLmhaXDVkKo0qVfRfQKO3yL9j x+A2p9zpZ2Fk8VZepuyvJjnhB9Gk7XIXb/NMOUjQEGzjaLtmJ1nRMgrHR+PcqZrc+JTe +6o2TpTphWjxxP2PEElcNZbnRE7lUafB6oWjiff1GxGMZqmb29nCl6UKx8059QoYEdfY ulYfYUbGgPrlsxbhIBiBK6SgG/FeCNE2RQs9dPXIgPG/1dLHKn7rIkK3C3XYfovVgQbB sf1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xRSMdgud8YOu2GDC+kBPINPSJIQochqOGaVE12j2GtE=; b=apIJxsnzS507aK3b60lJ9EXWWQ7o0H4hz8vraRT4DNsxBypzdkABgZICaZvZkgL7t5 mUGJUZ8joT9ew1NnnrAqMfeJ83QFhR6PTtZv6LuX8MX5qFNRqgzYG+FoDAluPK84GK4a BFHrD8QypHtCeLoThOIJG2aehDM22dqvuwmCUtDUTrRhA1JhYfOI/TkK6hnX95Y2mk7H 6RTS+m1GLd8x9MY4ZEKPxtWr6S+FTU0YY3IMnR16ezBTrWsgYchQu300zBLST/pWcCVA UyHwmlKDLILb4lZ4CreDMgAE/rAPaN9x88x2OIhBlhKUzm3VD+iWQc1/hwmU+tzXpCCn i4LA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pl3EehxzqwP+d/b7hD3I6Bc1Wc7CtpZkMErgYZLnz7etcM5rfax C5qMdhu5ksMuxdxosNOk5xXI1S0+KT13Ng1OIdNWYBSe X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf5CIYhm8/UExgtFIVynamDebw9nK7zyMGTNLVXTAudTrgX3K9jIKfW8pv9L1AyBfRX5tpxPN4nafKnJkvVDY4U= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:58f7:0:b0:4af:b846:2687 with SMTP id v23-20020ac258f7000000b004afb8462687mr24062457lfo.685.1670529969020; Thu, 08 Dec 2022 12:06:09 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9407e524-2226-6ba9-dd7f-bac635d083e3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Mark Knecht Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 13:05:57 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000063e4f505ef569104" X-Archives-Salt: 2bdb3f55-27a0-464d-a1e9-29e3aef1b6a0 X-Archives-Hash: 774b2ed4731741aca561882c66a57c6f --00000000000063e4f505ef569104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 11:36 AM Wols Lists wrote: > > > > DAS is direct-attached-storage. I don't think you want that. > > Depends. If it fits in the safe, and can be connected using one of these > eSATA thingy connectors, it might be a very good choice. First, I Agree about 300% with everything you posted in this response. However Rich and I have mentioned RPi 4 type solutions and I don't personally know of any that have eSATA outputs, but it's possible. There are some RPi case that can hold M.2 and SSD devices but the ones I looked at get there through a USB port. > > > > Synology (sp?) is sort of a big name in home & small office NAS boxes. > > You can buy the boxes with or without drives. I suspect you won't like > > the prices. > > I've been looking :-) I think the empty box costs more than the drives > you're going to put in it ... Certainly more than I would want to spend. However with Dale talking about 14TB, 16TB, 20TB possibly not. I just cannot imagine Dale spending that much money on hardware! ;-) > > > > I wonder if you might consider what data on your backups needs to be > > immediately available and which doesn't. Possibly buy an 8TB USB drive, > > take a bunch of the lower priority data off of your current backup thus > > system freeing space and move on from there? > > > > I built my NAS devices using old computers ala Wol's suggestion to me > > maybe a year ago. They work for me but don't have the fastest network > > interfaces. > > > I get the impression Dale isn't actually PLANNING his disk storage. It's > just a case of "help I'm downloading all this stuff where do I put it!!!" > > How much storage do you have in your actual computer? How much space do > you need IN ONE PARTITION? Can you get an external disk caddy that you > just slot bare drives in? > This is a good point. With planning he could have multiple 4TB type drives with 2 or 3 slots and you plug in the drive you want to use that day. It would take some minor planning but it's not a huge deal and as larger drives become less expensive over time he could swap out a 4TB for 8TB or higher, etc, as he needed to. If it has the performance he needs he could start with drives he already has and then upgrade over time moving data around after he does his planning. ;-) - Mark --00000000000063e4f505ef569104 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 11:36 AM Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> w= rote:
>
> <SNIP>
> > DAS is direct-attached-stor= age. I don't think you want that.
>
> Depends. If it fits i= n the safe, and can be connected using one of these
> eSATA thingy co= nnectors, it might be a very good choice.

First, I Agree= about 300% with everything you posted in this response. However
= Rich and I have mentioned RPi 4 type solutions and I don't personally k= now
of any that have eSATA outputs, but it's possible. There = are some RPi case
that can hold M.2 and SSD devices but the ones = I looked at get there through
a USB port.

> >=
> > Synology (sp?) is sort of a big name in home & small offi= ce NAS boxes.
> > You can buy the boxes with or without drives. I = suspect you won't like
> > the prices.
>
> I'v= e been looking :-) I think the empty box costs more than the drives
>= you're going to put in it ...

Certainly more = than I would want to spend. However with Dale talking
about 14TB,= 16TB, 20TB possibly not. I just cannot imagine Dale
spending tha= t much money on hardware! ;-)

> >
> > I wonder= if you might consider what data on your backups needs to be
> > i= mmediately available and which doesn't. Possibly buy an 8TB USB drive,<= br>> > take a bunch of the lower priority data off of your current ba= ckup thus
> > system freeing space and move on from there?
>= >
> > I built my NAS devices using old computers ala Wol's= suggestion to me
> > maybe a year ago. They work for me but don&#= 39;t have the fastest network
> > interfaces.
> >
>= I get the impression Dale isn't actually PLANNING his disk storage. It= 's
> just a case of "help I'm downloading all this stuff= where do I put it!!!"
>
> How much storage do you have in= your actual computer? How much space do
> you need IN ONE PARTITION?= Can you get an external disk caddy that you
> just slot bare drives = in?
>

This is a good point. With planning he= could have multiple 4TB type
drives with 2 or 3 slots and you pl= ug in the drive you want to use
that day. It would take some mino= r planning but it's not a huge deal
and as larger drives beco= me less expensive over time he could swap
out a 4TB for 8TB or hi= gher, etc, as he needed to.

If it has the performa= nce he needs he could start with drives he
already has and then u= pgrade over time moving data around=C2=A0
after he does his plann= ing. ;-)

- Mark
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