From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1161D158094 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3950DE0937; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pj1-x1035.google.com (mail-pj1-x1035.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C8DE0922 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pj1-x1035.google.com with SMTP id o4so1752259pjp.4 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:09:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc; bh=X6ruMv1Yq0qje2zRFXUj+XfEQE81Lk5tgUoirEBGWr4=; b=oDsTP+5/mXrs0es5Fz3kMjd04WNY+TfMeNHJapN6BNvdGjto9IMHKbCD7e/7f7DsBB bSTxLpOUCE0RnfmwuUU57rTryGCM86po5dXTO5S3LUWtrDYDUlv8PM8qaQurJ+T1n2lJ vBd1sSAHncgXXpujYtbJUZwo51a+LsN2+z1w6RXkQd1a96ixMygO/fBMldAtK/tnzTmb C7Mi1wRmThQf/g36cjxHuuuKeAioCJ3OFgAWepM0dnuYrA2qxDZnyOPQFVZDjWR593S7 GFdVrWWzwTu1Nkn3lFmnt8PP+0IEzhG3lybI3q6XVoJ0uzx9bC872pK8mxHn3vDutx1e iHpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=X6ruMv1Yq0qje2zRFXUj+XfEQE81Lk5tgUoirEBGWr4=; b=1UZaQ7hcEdUDm8JIy86728Dm2/MPdPePO6XSyGNTo5mOlG+KKags4MKJ/oWfB7kQ3U 8vQxUdzV0zBpIVblB6oRJeinMVAuWEjnCwyf9WaVuVshjB+qllm+lPT4VX/o2nqPiV1G 7P0fgO3idm29OJROQPS1DtqEobpOMK1q/wp33mrnWSu1UGcqea4ef9I/lTTrBrf2nveW /vbzSmnncr94CDUoXo2PdllcVyITTX7YaTwcqfSBLhxgaolZKTKsXXI/VC0UADiq8sjt D0QYev2BqM5Q7Od4o3W08eNMqS5+OWgq62G6yiaATyoNev/shmIqCwaMrTsCNgh8vSv0 YiuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0irrCJOJ+/pIES/ULMwONCyy2ciKBr39v+W8EfH3oOhbrEmScY w6+WVBYaK4UfrZ1oy0tCfU/5zS3qTjko7XPVB0EW0c0Qqwc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR5InjSXupH8BgdvErFw1xnI4aCl6MC1tADBfd3vX01URd1LsZh1N7YRBvttNe0MycWRiVIJvC4w3FAv3IspMtQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:f54e:b0:173:c1:6917 with SMTP id h14-20020a170902f54e00b0017300c16917mr3902592plf.100.1661522983402; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57a9895b-9357-17f1-8fb5-d0ede952eefc@gmail.com> <20220819042614.bj5crtjkgszbnshh@grusum.dhaller.de> <289fe32e-2815-c361-ea80-73d8df539417@iinet.net.au> <6f3feff2-eac9-f6ec-4a3c-c511cf469603@gmail.com> <6e3ee99d-46da-4cdf-93ed-838591a50f67@users.sourceforge.net> <12905e2c-f3ad-b7b9-78e1-4604e38f8a8e@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Mark Knecht Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003647fa05e7257779" X-Archives-Salt: b67dde59-20b6-4692-b15c-faac0e0a3e13 X-Archives-Hash: 4113db30647f79b33b487aff79c8d2f6 --0000000000003647fa05e7257779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:27 AM Dale wrote: > > I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, doesn't even have SATA ports. I can add a thing called a "hat" I think that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't enough. I really don't like USB and hard drive mixing. Every time I do that, the hard drive turns into a door stop. Currently, I have three Rosewill external enclosures and they have USB and eSATA ports. I use the eSATA connections and no problems. It's also really fast. So, I plan to stick with SATA connections. You do NOT want the Rasp Pi for this. You would have to compile and maintain the OS yourself just adding work and the disk interfaces aren't high performance enough. Obviously you can do what you are most comfortable with but to me a NAS machine with a bunch of external drives does not sound very reliable. > > I have a old computer that I might could use. It is 4 core something and I think it has 4GBs of memory, maxed out. I think it will perform well enough but wish it had a little more horses in it. That's more than enough horsepower for TrueNAS Core. If the box will hold 3 drives then you have 1 system drive and 2 data drives for a ZFS RAID1. That's how both of my NAS boxes are set up. You can buy more memory at lots of places inexpensively but you don't need it to start. 4GB will work with TrueNAS Core. My machines have 8 & 12GB. I never use it all. https://www.truenas.com/truenas-core/ Even if your old box has only 2 drives, download TrueNAS and just set it up on one systemdrive. It's not Gentoo difficult. It's a fully formed install system which will probably be running in an hour. You can use 1 drive in your data tank and add additional drives later. The speed of a NAS is _mostly_ a balance between network speed and disk speed. Processor usage for me is generally about 20%. If your network is GigaBit then you can sustain somewhere about 850Mb/S on the cables which translates nicely to about 100 MegaByte/S on your disk drives. There isn't that much CPU usage as it's mostly compression when backing up. Unless you use the box as a file server getting data back off is a once in a while event where you don't care too much about speed, or at least I don't. Just do it. Download the install disc and give it a try. Nothing much to lose. Good luck. Mark --0000000000003647fa05e7257779 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:27 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I looked into the Raspberry and the newest versio= n, about $150 now, doesn't even have SATA ports.=C2=A0 I can add a thin= g called a "hat" I think that adds a couple but thing is, that co= sts more and still isn't enough.=C2=A0 I really don't like USB and = hard drive mixing.=C2=A0 Every time I do that, the hard drive turns into a = door stop.=C2=A0 Currently, I have three Rosewill external enclosures and t= hey have USB and eSATA ports.=C2=A0 I use the eSATA connections and no prob= lems.=C2=A0 It's also really fast.=C2=A0 So, I plan to stick with SATA = connections.

You do NOT want=C2=A0 the Rasp Pi for this.= You would have to compile and maintain the OS yourself just adding work an= d the disk interfaces aren't high performance enough.

Obviously you can do what you=C2=A0are most comfortable with but to= me a NAS machine with a bunch of external drives does not sound very relia= ble.=C2=A0

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> I have a old computer that I might co= uld use.=C2=A0 It is 4 core something and I think it has 4GBs of memory, ma= xed out.=C2=A0 I think it will perform well enough but wish it had a little= more horses in it.

That's more than enough ho= rsepower for TrueNAS Core. If the box will hold 3 drives then you have 1 sy= stem drive and 2 data drives for a ZFS RAID1. That's how both of my NAS= boxes are set up.

You can buy more memory at lots= of places inexpensively but you don't need it to start. 4GB will work = with TrueNAS Core. My machines have 8 & 12GB. I never use it all.
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Even if y= our old box has only 2 drives, download TrueNAS and just set it up on one s= ystemdrive. It's not Gentoo difficult. It's a fully formed install = system which will probably be running in an hour. You can use 1 drive in yo= ur data tank and add additional drives later.

The = speed of a NAS is _mostly_ a balance between network speed and disk speed. = Processor usage for me is generally about 20%. If your network is GigaBit t= hen you can sustain somewhere about 850Mb/S on the cables which translates = nicely to about 100 MegaByte/S on your disk drives. There isn't that mu= ch CPU usage as it's mostly compression when backing up.

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Unless you use the box as a file server getting data back off is= a once in a while event where you don't=C2=A0care too much about speed= , or at least I don't.=C2=A0

Just do it. Downl= oad the install disc and give it a try. Nothing much to lose.
Good luck.
Mark
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