From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5F9158020 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77BB0E092E; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35614E090E for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id x21so8200688ljg.10 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:03:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5GsqcmQ2WJxDewjhHnrI9kfvtDoc+a64gmjrvt4Uw2k=; b=i5dMfuYSUhzxYrOtNt5S0Cvuy00KCN8SCIUkNfeN2vGOcNrxBHKFexpBz0dNjMi39C TLyo1DO4Y5/M08Z6Kn9iiWf2yvSEC1Z0b5lbI8ng6b/YVFSXkPXk4T85OpzeeycYH0j1 I/ybfkbU7MF0ttf+8AVo9x3qHAI2oQxmZ40E/3q1DbbeF1z4+f8idzwk3iabATVtyegj TMsA7fNNKU9scTu3/DZLQFFoBYn3THBlAfyOu/HwJXq2llru+FewEMeb5IeP7pyVlrgb c0clviZkUcRTI8iK/Ch2hKlA37O5+mfJfuISWiKCiJF/MY8z5TT9y5S9XPo8EI6lySfE TXNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5GsqcmQ2WJxDewjhHnrI9kfvtDoc+a64gmjrvt4Uw2k=; b=P/W55l4Bbnj3i1eecPQfymn5i8gtNmmWotPkn+dFi3URi1kkyyjrN2RXATuTPOZCkx DtNq7b+eeUnjYCwWRfsxn1u2wp9SJSvIpEn5VawrSLp42y4siuqoSCVf4fQ2Mm1rw+eh 5/gPCBIhml0zFUMV8p8hf79HsMo2HZxEz5bAB4KeSGDTzBhWKtulppZX1hrK9zfsFsno CpKqZqJ7Gv38yYUqGwknynVswh0CUEJmeEiH9rG+Und8PM0qFoVpwYdZyaYU8G1xC10S FOdLVGa5//uLmIv4pPLtnxWwVcn69KoUwhUTXyAQS8honsjPlJvdYr9CxB9oH9Pj9jRU BkcA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnLG8XH3ZgmlY60sMDV59dKBkKE2J4LelyQtZ+SI/mZkbc7yoAX 6xc8xata2E76DcIQB3iacb98oQtDBt14WGNqOC7qKPCA X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4We3Gxxk9JQCJbXZnwbGp+MIoJt/0yzYcgJTKlkhBKMvoWL9TEyz/tcS0AsNweMoVduErrGfwdl6+1IPK4+cE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9ec2:0:b0:277:2600:9cc0 with SMTP id h2-20020a2e9ec2000000b0027726009cc0mr2271467ljk.437.1668283414354; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:03:34 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3418bb3d-f939-6606-7e19-5e883c198208@gmail.com> <663dc8a8-7dc2-3361-f524-3ba464fcac3b@gmail.com> <301cc78f-d97c-b965-73fd-5a8a60b09c3a@youngman.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <301cc78f-d97c-b965-73fd-5a8a60b09c3a@youngman.org.uk> From: Mark Knecht Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 13:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004c236805ed4b802c" X-Archives-Salt: c6241775-c360-44f9-8c64-6555f775f9fd X-Archives-Hash: 3ad42b7e518351e68c928d872b645f6f --0000000000004c236805ed4b802c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol wrote: > > On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote: > > Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels? Since I reboot so > > rarely, what not use one of them?? Of course, the kernel I have in use > > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway. > > Do you REALLY want an LTS kernel? Sounds like you don't. You need to > update them just as much as any other kernel. > > The point of an LTS kernel is it supposed to NOT receive feature > updates, just bug fixes. Given that Artificial Stupidity bots regularly > try to apply updates to stable kernels, is it worth restricting yourself > to old kernels? Especially when it's not unknown for a bot to try to > backport a patch from kernel X+2, when it depends on a patch from X+1 > that hasn't been backported, and anybody using that code finds their > "stable" kernel blowing up in their face. > > The idea behind stable kernels is great. The implementation leaves a lot > to be desired and, as always, the reason is not enough manpower. > > Cheers, > Wol Wol, While I don't completely disagree with your technical points I really don't think your assessment of the purpose of a LTS kernel is wide ranging enough. I do agree that from what I know of Dale's usage he probably doesn't NEED a long term support kernel, but he may be better off with one. If you are user of apps you pay for - in my case Mixbus - an paid version of Ardour - and PixInsight then you are not going to get much support if you're off in the weeds running Gentoo and/or leading edge kernels. I run Kubuntu now, but not because I think it's a better distro, but because I get support. Harrison does all the dirty work on the audio stack and Pleiades Astro basically says you're on your own running unless you are on just a couple of distros. They were no help when I ran Gentoo. They are great under Kubuntu. An additional point is that if Dale limits himself to an LTS kernel then he doesn't have to worry about changes to his tool chain. I'm just waiting for the day that Rust becomes a driving conversation point on this list. I don't think Dale wants or needs to be involved in that. Anyway, just my point of view. Best wishes, Mark --0000000000004c236805ed4b802c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote= :
>
> On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote:
> > Where does = one go for a list of the LTS kernels?=C2=A0 Since I reboot so
> > = rarely, what not use one of them??=C2=A0 Of course, the kernel I have in us= e
> > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anywa= y.
>
> Do you REALLY want an LTS kernel? Sounds like you don= 9;t. You need to
> update them just as much as any other kernel.
&= gt;
> The point of an LTS kernel is it supposed to NOT receive featur= e
> updates, just bug fixes. Given that Artificial Stupidity bots reg= ularly
> try to apply updates to stable kernels, is it worth restrict= ing yourself
> =C2=A0 to old kernels? Especially when it's not un= known for a bot to try to
> backport a patch from kernel X+2, when it= depends on a patch from X+1
> that hasn't been backported, and a= nybody using that code finds their
> "stable" kernel blowin= g up in their face.
>
> The idea behind stable kernels is great= . The implementation leaves a lot
> to be desired and, as always, the= reason is not enough manpower.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
Wol,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0While I don't completely disagr= ee with your technical points I
really don't think your asses= sment of the purpose of a LTS kernel
is wide ranging enough.=C2= =A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I do agree that from what I know = of Dale's usage he probably=C2=A0
doesn't NEED a long ter= m support kernel, but he may be better=C2=A0
off with one.
<= div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you are user of apps you pay for - in my= case Mixbus - an paid
version of Ardour - and PixInsight then yo= u are not going to get=C2=A0
much support if you're off in th= e weeds running Gentoo and/or
leading edge kernels. I run Kubuntu= now, but not because I think
it's a better distro, but becau= se I get support. Harrison does all
the dirty work on the audio s= tack and Pleiades Astro basically
says you're on your own run= ning unless you are on just a couple of
distros. They were no hel= p when I ran Gentoo. They are great=C2=A0
under Kubuntu.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0An additional point is that if Dale limits hi= mself to an LTS=C2=A0
kernel then he doesn't have to worry ab= out changes to his
tool chain. I'm just waiting for the day t= hat Rust becomes
a driving conversation point on this list. I don= 't think Dale=C2=A0
wants or needs to be involved in that.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyway, just my point of view.

Best wishes,
Mark
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