From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0004D158020 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6843EE086E; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AAA8E085A for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id l8so9827978ljh.13 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 06:07:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kaXb47eh8N3TezNDyCXapNxIsBWh99IKf3Ae/eMqwaA=; b=bnw4fvsUixWMQWypgfET1DX/UP2+2udQhS0OgACittuLHvgaaUAHkixAxR4YCkwUD9 9IBSbQZi/5pTdniQHkeJebsLzqzxLvBYHfoH45WtGaCLt4eG2hAHWMm2THXoA3intdN3 0ZDyC+lDwzM6mjwW0s21hA4rjDQfJJDedXmGdHpZZ+zPwAQHfCey2UC24I652IkpuBV/ yfHBgd4DAA5vNi9maykwT4DV4mMjLPobLJGyG9Xj55mp/V21q22bknoyMNOJWkzpLlvQ dK/Jh1jJLKZ9w5op22C+cqgNYuGMA2KsuQ27xQBcNZgtG2X0LM9pTsXxbMSI4dgGd43Q h/2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kaXb47eh8N3TezNDyCXapNxIsBWh99IKf3Ae/eMqwaA=; b=5Q7eZ3azPEedmaI1Ob5m3pVtToGsjPNrd+VsA1jEY/hUojvjO0/ytRDYekXIMxDJiI z7iXpM949CVHg9VC0/fKodSdhGgB6eAKji7Zjbi0/y7av7VRkvvVZCN3vcdpUNxWUgSz tY1gA8SG++LbsNmItzWwtQej1UhD6xp7DGM4zbq5hqTCLMkbK5zpvz/evxSGwV2R0H7w zVIavAi2uyFuXHpJF7gemL0JYjsw34QtiXTa+xMLTqSmTZq4G9D/8C3CtseJe/jpIh1k wdCh9RTo9FJqDjkyKJVMgVj/cRNwtIA1VtDzVvwCyX4k0UCimBvdBSaBew2EX1byI9FH lZIg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5planw77VfcTK5P9f8ywFny/9LSgqwvDHOWh1uN361VT36r4qFFK 2wbd9Mn133CryJUVkkY2vmN0PivVQJegyhg/55VGjglY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6on0DUin9BaAtBolK63APerjQQ0jAWp1XlIMTfAEY6NfhEHnem1PxI9dm1To58XYweVcCxcuBIRWRggfkrvNs= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:bf08:0:b0:279:7236:b80f with SMTP id c8-20020a2ebf08000000b002797236b80fmr24475296ljr.214.1670767672002; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 06:07:52 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9407e524-2226-6ba9-dd7f-bac635d083e3@gmail.com> <9cbb275e-8b55-6544-dad8-e8f03d114205@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Mark Knecht Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 07:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000978b5105ef8de932" X-Archives-Salt: 6d102683-8301-46f2-9b95-a94c3bd0d2aa X-Archives-Hash: ec7a692787b9bdf7de45c474c6ab0ea0 --000000000000978b5105ef8de932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 9:35 PM Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > I got a old rig I can use. I actually burned OpenNAS, TrueNAS or > > FreeNAS on a USB stick. I can't recall which one I put on it tho. I > > downloaded all three. lol If you know that one is better than the > > others, feel free to share. Also, I'd like to keep using LVM if I > > can. If nothing else, I already got the data on the drives and won't > > have to reformat and copy again. It took almost 100 hours to copy to > > the new 16TB drive. Using LVM would make that easier, and faster. > > > > > > I'll have to work with what I got for now but I really like the > > Raspberry option for its size and good options to upgrade later. I'll > > just make do with something else until that option is doable. Maybe > > it won't be to long. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > :-) :-) > > > > TrueNAS Core. It's the free one. Works great. Very stable, but it is > > BSD, not Linux so you'll be frustrated sometimes. None the less it > > works very well. > > > Well, I booted it and it is FreeNAS. I got it on a USB stick tho. > Well, I put the installer on one stick and then installed on a second > stick. Kinda odd but I get it. I also noticed it is BSD based. I > played with BSD once before. One thing I can say, it's secure. Big time. > I'm not clear exactly but FreeNAS _BECAME_ TrueNAS Core and TrueNAS (all 3 versions) are the ones being worked on. Installing from USB is pretty standard. Installing to a USB flash drive is not unheard of in home NAS servers but be careful of machine placement because people talk about USB sockets being unreliable long term. I'm sure you'll figure it out, but make sure you're using TrueNAS Core. > I see it uses ZFS or something. No mention of LVM. I figured that. Oh > well. I see LVM as something that belongs on your machine, not your NAS device. Your LVM volumes will just be directories on the NAS. You will make your pools as large as you can afford and the NAS will just store your data. You don't really need to worry about that much. My NAS stores backups from 3 different machine, but all the backup data is in a single ZFS RAID1 pool located in directories which macth the name of the machine that wrote them. > > If I can't hammer FreeNAS into shape, I'll try TrueNAS next. If it > works, that's fine too. ;-) My input for the third time. Move to TrueNAS Core. That's the one that is being developed and getting support. Mark --000000000000978b5105ef8de932 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 9:35 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ;
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > <SNIP>
> > >> > > I got a old rig I can use.=C2=A0 I actually burned OpenNAS,= TrueNAS or
> > FreeNAS on a USB stick.=C2=A0 I can't recall w= hich one I put on it tho. =C2=A0I
> > downloaded all three. =C2=A0= lol =C2=A0If you know that one is better than the
> > others, feel= free to share.=C2=A0 Also, I'd like to keep using LVM if I
> >= ; can.=C2=A0 If nothing else, I already got the data on the drives and won&= #39;t
> > have to reformat and copy again.=C2=A0 It took almost 10= 0 hours to copy to
> > the new 16TB drive.=C2=A0 Using LVM would m= ake that easier, and faster.
> > >
> > > I'll h= ave to work with what I got for now but I really like the
> > Rasp= berry option for its size and good options to upgrade later.=C2=A0 I'll=
> > just make do with something else until that option is doable.= =C2=A0 Maybe
> > it won't be to long.
> > >
>= ; > > Dale
> > >
> > > :-) =C2=A0:-)
> = >
> > TrueNAS Core. It's the free one. Works great. Very st= able, but it is
> > BSD, not Linux so you'll be frustrated som= etimes. None the less it
> > works very well.
>
>
&= gt; Well, I booted it and it is FreeNAS.=C2=A0 I got it on a USB stick tho.=
> Well, I put the installer on one stick and then installed on a se= cond
> stick.=C2=A0 Kinda odd but I get it.=C2=A0 I also noticed it i= s BSD based. =C2=A0I
> played with BSD once before.=C2=A0 One thing I= can say, it's secure.=C2=A0 Big time.
>

I'= ;m not clear exactly but FreeNAS _BECAME_ TrueNAS Core and TrueNAS
(all 3 versions) are the ones being worked on.

I= nstalling from USB is pretty standard. Installing to a USB flash drive
is not unheard of in home NAS servers but be careful of machine
=
placement because people talk about USB sockets being unreliable
=
long term. I'm sure you'll figure it out, but make sure you= 9;re using
TrueNAS Core.=C2=A0

> I see it uses Z= FS or something.=C2=A0 No mention of LVM.=C2=A0 I figured that.=C2=A0 Oh> well.

I see LVM as something that belongs on= your machine, not your NAS
device. Your LVM volumes will just be= directories on the NAS. You will
make your pools as large as you= can afford and the NAS will just store
your data. You don't = really need to worry about that much. My NAS
stores backups from = 3 different machine, but all the backup data
is in a single ZFS R= AID1 pool located in directories which macth the=C2=A0
name of th= e machine that wrote them.
=C2=A0
>
> If I can't= hammer FreeNAS into shape, I'll try TrueNAS next.=C2=A0 If it
> = works, that's fine too. =C2=A0;-)

My input for= the third time. Move to TrueNAS Core. That's the one
that is= being developed and getting support.
=C2=A0
Mark
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