Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

[Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>
>> On 01/01/2012 05:06 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Michael Orlitzky<michael@orlitzky.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Using "emerge --update foo" adds "foo" to your world file. This is
>>>> responsible for pretty much every package that incorrectly found its way
>>>> into one of my world files.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any reason to desire the current behavior? I'd like to suggest
>>>> that
>>>> it be fixed, but want to be sure I'm not just being short-sighted.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pretty sure that's what -1 is for. I'm just getting the hang of it
>>> myself.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I know what I'm *supposed* to do. My complaint is basically that I
>> sometimes forget to add -1 with -u, and that bad things happen as a result.
>>
>> But why should I have to add -1 along with it? Is there any reason you
>> would ever want -u to add a package to your world file? If not, we can avoid
>> headaches in the future by making it do the sane (not harmful) thing.
>>
>>
>
> Using -u used to work the way you describe but that was a while ago.  The
> only thing I know of is to add --oneshot to make.conf so you don't forget.
>  I think they knew this was going to be a issue.  This is in man emerge:
>
> --select [ y | n ]
> Add specified packages to the world set (inverse of --oneshot). This is
> useful if you want to use  EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS  to  make  --oneshot behavior
> default.
>
> The way I read that is that they expect you to add --oneshot to make.conf.
>  Like you, this makes no sense to me.  I would rather they leave it the way
> it was and then not needed the --select option at all.  :/
>
> Then again, they add confusion so we can fix it in make.conf.  lol
>
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how
> you interpreted my words!
>
> Miss the compile output?  Hint:
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n"
>
>

I'm not clear. Why does one ever bother with emerge -u package? In 10
years of Gentoo I've managed to get by with basically either emerge
package to add something or emerge -DuN @world to stay updated. (or
@system in the old days but no longer...)

Not picking on anyone but in my mind emerge -u package _should_ add
the package to the world file because any time I run emerge with a
package name and without -1 I'm telling it to make it part of @world.
If it's not part of @world, and is already on the machine, then emerge
-DuN @world is the right way to get it and everything else updated.

Just curious...

- Mark