From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F493158089 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 18:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B01672BC043; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 18:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69EDA2BC013 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 18:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50325ce89e9so6258598e87.0 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697480790; x=1698085590; darn=lists.gentoo.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uQZ4eNNI2RqLX+pkbfLGQ29f+gi+gka4WX1xZs1yXjU=; b=chmwdZJLxfJgyoy6oqn1G2D+7I60NvkKjJQBVe/KVS/Q0nBwHdV5YcGxVoSObbtUV1 Lt4Vkk3i02Yhf0LfN2igC0HcWRDpzLDuGDJTB6/leAe3P9Y11BVOFKUj4kIXTA2L4Uq9 dcgWqwo4O6lGgQGNBv/XIuBJuVpAzyN3wxMad6j8W+qFAONP1lUZioZMnh+MemX2Js/7 1U3uN+IQ3GSTGkdB/FmgMQ9JLoHmzf8JT9d9O8RDppwVxn0VjJvWkXP6zpJP844uk5Md m4mvQxWdxQbsJuPB24dOmChC1UqvF+MWbKMNdmJylxThfhvwyhK7JfpUW688R2tFC6s+ Y/Yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697480790; x=1698085590; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uQZ4eNNI2RqLX+pkbfLGQ29f+gi+gka4WX1xZs1yXjU=; b=k1yGspu0hlYcZXEEeix+YEQOiUyK1ciKjKQP4TStpkjUSSymO8elCvfuqsUuiTW/LQ bYyy8+Y36vLtUl2y1vKeFn+vzyfPRh+jkCiY/FnmIAL9SyJKqJU2ZCwvVbZdbuO1L3oQ gR/OEjM2/DZHYwv+5X1sLrquNMkq0VHV7rKdOHoySHsLvakECihy5xiJxGb0669jz4bT VnU2Osj47FFr27L6uZWpchAyxxBPBKZYVLCahf7gukOwe7qgtq+V/IKGeT5+cnvW0SzL DWQbyvMiBYZ8Pi9+f6ZmKVoMqxR39AGFIHRuKoQbq5KV8gsa9tX+BvBC8ppdUtK89xOu nPHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzQpOepEQnGtVK806gxGZ8b05tRz7JlOxDKuKbCe7Hn3DtNLEV2 PzHkHLBac9hAwkTP7poclMZWfZtqE1Obd13SUOp3J46h X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFN3oRePSNm8gkSpb911xSQOoW2DvyNYLmAefFGE6rOf1jg+IeLaGQejdpxHIRjIAa0jkSefyYRRN5YmqpKgdA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3d22:b0:4fe:2f8a:457e with SMTP id d34-20020a0565123d2200b004fe2f8a457emr104077lfv.43.1697480790293; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <17dbcf2a-13c7-b8c0-69f1-a09e5288cfd5@gmail.com> <1547976b-10a8-ba30-0559-348db4727011@gmail.com> <13371341.uLZWGnKmhe@rogueboard> <4b498c6d-7311-6645-ec34-009ea9c154b4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4b498c6d-7311-6645-ec34-009ea9c154b4@gmail.com> From: Mark Knecht Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OFF TOPIC Need Ubuntu network help To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000084c1530607d98b42" X-Archives-Salt: fdebcbec-0bae-44b8-ac71-c98448276541 X-Archives-Hash: 82c5c5ae6521c75cec4f0e7f6945e53d --00000000000084c1530607d98b42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM Dale wrote: > Mark, the command nmcli you listed isn't installed on this machine as it > uses netplan. It seems netplan is new so maybe it is a little buggy > right now. I read that if I have netplan, I shouldn't install other > network managers, tools like ifconfig to see things is OK but don't use > those to "manage" the network. The use of two network managers can and > likely will cause a clash. That said, I do have ip and route > installed. Given it is working now, well, no need posting the working > results. ;-) Since Michael mentioned that netplan is new, that > explains why I wasn't getting many hits when searching. It's new. > There likely isn't many hits to find when searching, yet. netplan isn't new. It's been in Ubuntu since 16.04 LTS which was 2015. What is new is making it the default way of handling networks. I don't find it buggy and I don't know why you cannot find help in Google. I'm finding 100's of things to look at without going to 'Ask Ubuntu' netplan status is nice because it shows who rendered a network whether netplan did it or not. It is possible to have multiple renderers on the machine but you do have to configure things so they don't collide. I do not recommend you do anything like that. For my Kubuntu desktops I actually use System Settings to set fixed ip addresses but I do agree that cli configuration for Ubuntu Server can be confusing. However, complaining about systemd in this day and age seems pointless. It's here and it isn't going away. --00000000000084c1530607d98b42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM Dale <<= a href=3D"mailto:rdalek1967@gmail.com">rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:<= br><SNIP>
> Mark, the command nmcli you listed isn't instal= led on this machine as it
> uses netplan.=C2=A0 It seems netplan is n= ew so maybe it is a little buggy
> right now.=C2=A0 I read that if I = have netplan, I shouldn't install other
> network managers, tools= like ifconfig to see things is OK but don't use
> those to "= ;manage" the network.=C2=A0 The use of two network managers can and> likely will cause a clash.=C2=A0 That said, I do have ip and route> installed.=C2=A0 Given it is working now, well, no need posting the w= orking
> results. =C2=A0;-) =C2=A0Since Michael mentioned that netpla= n is new, that
> explains why I wasn't getting many hits when sea= rching.=C2=A0 It's new.
> There likely isn't many hits to fi= nd when searching, yet.
<SNIP>

netplan isn'= ;t new. It's been in Ubuntu since 16.04 LTS which was=C2=A0
2= 015. What is new is making it the default way of handling=C2=A0
n= etworks. I don't find it buggy and I don't know why you cannot find=
help in Google. I'm finding 100's of things to look at w= ithout going
to 'Ask Ubuntu'=C2=A0

netplan status is nice because it shows who rendered a network
whether netplan did it or not.

It is possible to = have multiple renderers on the machine but you=C2=A0
do have to c= onfigure things so they don't collide. I do not=C2=A0
recomme= nd you do anything like that.

For my Kubuntu deskt= ops I actually use System Settings to=C2=A0
set fixed ip addresse= s but I do agree that cli configuration
for Ubuntu Server can be = confusing. However, complaining=C2=A0
about systemd in this day a= nd age seems pointless. It's here
and it isn't going away= .
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