From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8192F158020 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 16:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDC1AE08A8; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 16:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8516FE0826 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 16:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id z26so7844190lfu.8 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 08:10:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VJ2G3icAhG8vWk0vWmZBL2NtNwFrV2CzAl/mjqCT3E0=; b=LEnTlTXNUbH8E8BXfMCif+/VpJ20hs6iEjW//3pmOHKG2adEWJvsPBVFGkC3QL1T6/ FOhyinFon3uebX9DHLMe3NF0Ow5xalGJ6AIcTXgaI1i/SPSCC3X1o/wWBjqbxtqPoeEX SCI6odh3Q9nTPLHwzITckepKvRTzRbuHqUpRaMNIk9DI5Nzyhqb5GGYJ/lZyTadbNhAn 0PJ1gavoOR358H2bIYtl+h0oPqKmVBOJyFRFJw2S3IeRjEWiYwDoccl/wAgfZTvGB7hB xejW1aHwj0oRziBss2xAY/ocqV8D11xJ9/PixV+/u9hQs3eILrqvNJoXySTE6k0Fkkat rUlA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VJ2G3icAhG8vWk0vWmZBL2NtNwFrV2CzAl/mjqCT3E0=; b=NOpzH3J0t6H3unN7znkH8qhqRHGu5GfB2JstGBb3tnkdIR6KsgfrplHkKvne2iXCUg lXvWjinkutPCDUw+xUCUT7M/2a1aeWBFLK4b2i8p4sJ1vBQT737Z0gxBD55un/7LJLyu cFIoE9k9pphak63fo/2GbRJ4QmTxG3S//3xtg12E8nCRMClwmz0GQxxveF21dIztLEki eKEsNxCQt8P2eDgIbzqCLs+fXww9skexMv+1jLuqOJ0IF5mVvBJAWDKf8O9K2tmJneBQ peZug8V5zQzCotew2AAHy+m6eTIRJdfnnA0Teb34LypCSFy4lfRqPRJC57tsDil5Eg9J cppg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnyzZgnImRSVX1729qqb75FQqByv4IZDs38a+ELrGta0UB/lF4C tymSlWiqtV9aHvpSZJxztRREtcuJNL23jf1Jf6D/CeKgmyE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf5YarUp2X7AcOXapZ6lRJFdn6XbC4xbuA/tYUJno+upN4OWx/bhyO85Y31/inPMO3dPfIbBbstkIOTNI5N7tHo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:ac7:b0:4b5:575a:703b with SMTP id n7-20020a0565120ac700b004b5575a703bmr12505347lfu.151.1671293400244; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 08:10:00 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9407e524-2226-6ba9-dd7f-bac635d083e3@gmail.com> <10b30d8a-5c5d-a80a-e659-b5624e2848e4@gmail.com> <78c2c83f-fdd8-5c9b-3ac3-7c22bc4b5d64@gmail.com> <0a10c428-94f1-6112-4d88-c97143f9564d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Mark Knecht Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:09:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006fe68b05f00851d1" X-Archives-Salt: 783d70cd-54d6-4ebc-9b4f-ab1ed33a33a2 X-Archives-Hash: f0b5359041de937e0b1e0c1ea05e0659 --0000000000006fe68b05f00851d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale wrote: > > > I > > wonder, could one install the LVM stuff and use that? That would be > > interesting. I wonder if there is a NAS software that uses LVM > > instead. Interesting thought. I just may go bug google on that one. o_O > > Maybe I'm missing the point but why would you want LVM on a > storage pool? If I'm doing backups I just want space. I let TrueNas > put it on disk and give it back if asked. Why put another layer > of indirection? > > If you're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the only copy > of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might > be interesting, but then you need a second TrueNAS box > to back that up. NAS as a mountable data location is > different than NAS doing backups which is what I thought > this thread was about. What am I not remembering? > > - Mark > > > It's more about me being more used to using LVM. Also, more used to Linux as well. BSD is not something I have much experience with and until recently, none with ZFS. Even the little experience I have with BSD was well over a decade ago, maybe two decades ago. I barely remember it really. > > By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I'm familiar with and less likely to mess up things. Things get messed up enough without adding more confusion. ;-) > > Dale > > :-) :-) Hummm...I don't know Dale, I don't know... ZFS is a file system. LVM is an abstraction on top (or underneath?) of a file system. My understanding of LVM is that it frees you from hard decisions on partition sizes, not that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5. You may or may not know this but TrueNAS is available as a Linux version: https://www.truenas.com/blog/first-release-of-truenas-on-linux/ I don't recommend it. It's new. Let someone else figure it out. However it might be more to your liking, and because it's Linux you'd be more comfortable messing it up. ;0- WRT you I recommend that you try living in NGL for a while. Possibly you are just a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of building packages 30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it provides value. Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting the system take care of itself. In the last year I've only updated my TrueNAS box twice that I can remember. On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy then Que Sera Sera ..... Good luck, Mark --0000000000006fe68b05f00851d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ;
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16= , 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale <rdalek19= 67@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I
> > wonder, cou= ld one install the LVM stuff and use that?=C2=A0 That would be
> >= interesting.=C2=A0 I wonder if there is a NAS software that uses LVM
&g= t; > instead.=C2=A0 Interesting thought.=C2=A0 I just may go bug google = on that one. =C2=A0o_O
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point but = why would you want LVM on a
> storage pool? If I'm doing backups = I just want space. I let TrueNas
> put it on disk and give it back i= f asked. Why put another layer
> of indirection?
>
> If y= ou're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the only copy
> = of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might
> be interesti= ng, but then you need a second TrueNAS box
> to back that up. NAS as = a mountable data location is
> different than NAS doing backups which= is what I thought
> this thread was about. What am I not remembering= ?
>
> - Mark
>
>
> It's more about me bei= ng more used to using LVM.=C2=A0 Also, more used to Linux as well.=C2=A0 BS= D is not something I have much experience with and until recently, none wit= h ZFS.=C2=A0 Even the little experience I have with BSD was well over a dec= ade ago, maybe two decades ago.=C2=A0 I barely remember it really.
><= br>> By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I'm f= amiliar with and less likely to mess up things.=C2=A0 Things get messed up = enough without adding more confusion. =C2=A0;-)
>
> Dale
>= ;
> :-) =C2=A0:-)

Hummm...I don't know Dale, = I don't know... ZFS is a file system.
LVM is an abstraction o= n top (or underneath?) of a file system.
My understanding of LVM = is that it frees you from hard decisions
on partition sizes, not = that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5.

You may or may n= ot know this but TrueNAS is available as a=C2=A0
Linux version:


I don't recommend it. It= 's new. Let someone else figure it out. However
it might be m= ore to your liking, and because it's Linux you'd be more
= comfortable messing it up. ;0-

WRT you I recommend= that you try living in NGL for a while. Possibly=C2=A0
you are j= ust a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of building packages=C2=A0
30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it provides val= ue.=C2=A0
Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting th= e system=C2=A0
take care of itself. In the last year I've onl= y updated my TrueNAS box
twice that I can remember.
On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy the= n
Que Sera Sera .....

Good luck,
Mark
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