From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF9B3158003 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34DEF2BC02D; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1BE02BC00E for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id b187so499080iof.11 for ; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 12:59:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bf3nji9H25AZpXvsm0gIgrVGmKFlXl2rZH6w/QMvCDU=; b=kpOx0riUsRNqS8vC8CNL70L+RW6XIt4nzEzvYkYfKB25/rX1A1AyMXsR2WFaIkyca5 uAV8JvkN6RzgqUpB9TUWVxUuP7gZtyih0Ni2jcBeQuGgqQ2TXpyl5UoKbWHsvUqsKvKL XWXDdTppB72CdpUTINjtVhr+7zJpvEd1k7BFk8RbpHaZwcbP6A5XFZVBbdEgR7khd3jV 19EcyBa6adupPGrXgwIKsegSQYDi0YCv1G8bjWVj/Zc7n0a+Ie5j80jkjMA2ZYOoWif8 rtgXnkwHIjzTn97hgaFWezNpAx9jwLN90PizEcEdbHrS+114NWn/ltooquot1TPsogSo nidg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bf3nji9H25AZpXvsm0gIgrVGmKFlXl2rZH6w/QMvCDU=; b=gecSmKUjc1PxLCLOGLXjv2yXywFzErhovm/KEpa/WpGfk1X10baeGUtTyY04brHyq7 fLuuko5GiMgOBa4Q2NMbPGCDP014j7Dr4Us7jDhihnkBeGoqEzMEs6RVDnpOxe7CFo1y wDGY/vACRWom9H+hXzJUCIgXt4/EcNv+cMrLpaq0tv+KTYRCVYgo6JzI4FpVWvAfWJKL BBdWVzxBSFdMyyhz5OT4dbs/MriRBqR2BwdOFH8rTEo5YEK4C1bB+WfGd7hFCtl+YI+w ihtjpVqAqOhSwYaT4HmudjYcL2CWUz8TphEz6/jhp+/IuOr2a88Hdf2DqoS5xGXS71OM Twew== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532FkAN1M2uPX5fDKD3gaRHnvX6VQjRAKQ6UOC267HCz0Xnrd1tZ vkMPvPbfqy/EPUl34Nz6K9XoiscfpF9ZMEb73gCdbV9zKCw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxVULw5S14HyD1W+ebUot1hruY+oJm4I4mh2RoRBpVqlAU+jmhHh8Ap6uWqYZPbSgUHfeLGb3rpsFj6v81HmAc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:1484:: with SMTP id a4mr1979274iow.35.1638910769222; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 12:59:29 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6157638C.4070409@youngman.org.uk> <94a2e72e-728d-7b41-37e6-7ab457968ff1@youngman.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <94a2e72e-728d-7b41-37e6-7ab457968ff1@youngman.org.uk> From: Mark Knecht Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 13:59:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS suggestions for home user To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 2ad92139-0fc6-4e1a-87a5-450ddc955463 X-Archives-Hash: e3dc1de5dbdd0adcdbfa6d537b67a60a On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 9:39 AM Wols Lists wrote: > > On 01/10/2021 17:08, Mark Knecht wrote: > > This old machine is now about 10 years old. It's a big Cooler Master > > case, 6 or 8 removable drive bays, heavy. It collects dust and > > sometimes the fans are quite noisy. If I was going this direction > > I think I'd have to tear the whole thing down, redo the case fans at > > least. If I did all that then I think I'd use it for the new machine, > > but you do have a point. > > Okay, get your new disk drive, stick it in your old server, put btrfs on > it, learn to play with the backups etc. You can hoover out the inside at > the same time, and possibly replace the fans - they might be noisy > because the bearings are shot. > > There's no reason why your backup drive has to be in a different machine > (other than the physical safety of it being separate), so play with it > as part of your current machine. Learn btrfs, learn rsync, learn all > that stuff. > > (Your case sounds a bit like the N300 I've just bought. I want to put a > whole load of 1TB drives in it as a raid testbed - you might have > noticed my name on the raid wiki :-) > > The other thing, if you are interested and happy with just one disk not > raid, look at getting one of these HOST MANAGED shingled drives, and use > a log-structured file system. Again, I don't know anything about these > other than what they are, but for backups it should be a good and > reasonably cheap solution. > > If you want to go down the pi route, I think you can get little cases, > and I've got a USB thingy into which you can plug two drives. But at > about =C2=A330-40 each, that's $100 for hardware over and above your driv= e. > I'd recycle the old machine :-) > > Cheers, > Wol > So here I am reporting back after a couple of months of not working on this task. I dug around in the garage and found an old i5 Clarksdale machine that literally hadn't been turned on since we sold a house back in about 2013. Unboxed it, cleaned it up a bit, took out all the old hard drives, the CD and the floppy and put in 2 500GB WD Enterprise drives I had sitting here from a previous upgrade. Darned if the machine didn't boot right up from a FreeNAS (now TrueNAS Core) flash drive. I installed the OS to a second USB thumb drive, booted the machine, created a 500GB ZFS mirrored pool, created a user directory and 3 hours later I'm doing backups. So far it's done 30GB of about 450GB and just seems to be humming along nicely. CPU usage is only about 5% most of the time. The processor is only 2 cores, 4 threads, but most of the time it's only using about 5% CPU. No idea how stable it will be but the computer itself was always a good machine 10 years ago so I'll keep my fingers crossed and see how it goes. I'll be adding a SSD front end cache to the storage pool later this week and will likely move the OS to something internal (SSD or maybe an old HDD) as I don't like the idea of depending on a USB boot. Cheers, Mark Anyone looking for some similar solution so far I really couldn't be happier with how easy it was to get this up and running.