From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600B5138377 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F45021C0B6; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f42.google.com (mail-bk0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67BAE21C003 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id ji2so518244bkc.15 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:26:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z2CUZzzb77zF+hvOUNGvd53tvAK9j6lMpbMpMLW6Jw4=; b=pX7+VCCGQR6OQVDcMItfKuAOCvxFX+QJD6MPth3PkDxhnoOLA2nYPymjqM62DCsqCv 7BFE9LdKUn9FImrVaaN3GN7XZdOjSSxHH41BfV3ZMBQzhzIJB+RxjmrFCHtPcctCcsLe UnEtiWEuWmbDqrYwTW9T3rFTlhSI0HZ/NmqzEYBUHnc96fFB5sOMY3gpT7PJdJZBkpDf AS9SdVvMIrolH+NvmbLlb4zh3iZmIysh0M5ljI8yKVYaqH55Kw/j2V1x/Xwn0HTLV3BQ EmsXMrKhBDCixzhxWmZBlmywOzAoszvBb16kywH77G6FD5eyiR7ePKLMeFGYoy2zj0rm thfw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.78 with SMTP id c14mr33251134bkc.100.1357676764914; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.199.144 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130108112157.3cb99168@khamul.example.com> References: <201301061119.56710.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <50EA2364.4080604@gmail.com> <20130108012533.04004d12@khamul.example.com> <20130108112157.3cb99168@khamul.example.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:26:04 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore From: Mark Knecht To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: f0f86e1b-2274-49ce-8bad-c2ba6a151347 X-Archives-Hash: 67cf808a29a69e95baa4c6e86483f4b9 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Life is full of silly and not-so-silly conventions and /dev/dvd is one > of them. It has no good reason to be there, and equally no good reason > to not be there, but you already fixed your stuff to make it do what > you want. > -- > Alan McKinnon Alan, Maybe in the future you'll consider this story: For your entertainment, please imagine an 82 year old woman who, unknown to anyone, has somehow gone beyond simple web browsing and email and managed to teach herself to watch a DVD on her Gentoo laptop. Possibly she is hard of hearing? This works well for her as she can use headphones and listen at levels that work for her any time of day or night. Once you get your head around that picture, please imagine this user being frustrated for _months_ when her 'no good reason to be there DVD' goes away. This user feels, for no good technical reason, that she has somehow hurt her computer and worse worries about the costs of fixing it. She remains silent, doesn't ask for help and loses access to something that she enjoys all because someone in the dev community decides to 'make a change'. Not every user (of Gentoo or any other distro) lives in the rarefied world of a Linux Sys Admin, much less the far more lowly and infinitely more mundane world I inhabit. My experience is that people almost always need a little help and almost never ask. Over and out, Mark