From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63377138350 for ; Sun, 3 May 2020 22:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0542E09C8; Sun, 3 May 2020 22:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk1-x72f.google.com (mail-qk1-x72f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A198DE095A for ; Sun, 3 May 2020 22:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-x72f.google.com with SMTP id n14so6852970qke.8 for ; Sun, 03 May 2020 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=tZmfZzBeks0D9z0vgVTYsc42Dq1JHSgQPya+aBQ+Puc=; b=FgjcEXqsVbgMsxKF2NandtDLRUhnl/Y7BMh+Aj6wFoFkW7rVNMnOr6ct0ETb3h+8bo OaGo46jr9WL9OPISDu/LyjtBr/TwaiikAAzcGtkoxg00GyvBVjLqGR2BmWPVGQyYQNQT FkoIcMkxk6bytKM4x205eu6gY4oPHQnDheI7fjlQvi3cwoDo4MT8j4uIcyRp9kWg0Hpz g2gKqlveuo90510UOGabjjOpiOC9uFColp2qDzj9mpJ9I9ylvlH/VX+2mfYs1egNrjXh pWVPNb/wD5kkB3ueIVn6yaPKfGPbjUb7Lgpl8jQm6gnQkpyQn84tWkOEQHc1kysUn966 Xh+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=tZmfZzBeks0D9z0vgVTYsc42Dq1JHSgQPya+aBQ+Puc=; b=pa9xCsuCSfYfNbTSvgKrQTwlw7CXEQSPQH5JU2oxIZTOpz9pBv3vCNrNs1z5Z/uoaQ exZ6QiCwf0VNpwdiMwweQRzfaGMD63GT4QB8SYpvhSZ/56GjgJAaU7lfbtl7yURuJMoR /SJPKSwFa71HWSNQZB8omZhIMTG93XCM9aFhP9WVGffSZErsVDDtqvDSG7mPjNBJKoI8 F+y6Y0+8MDZUOv8YGpMp1qZKFZVBFBfdP584JARV5TQKEewm6bgDb+6Y4KDASlo2mAa+ Psn/K8i4MuCpRZZByLteUnICzRIZZjBfCnL7fpqJNFvgwE4ooc3hHRfp8/QpggEUJ3j7 wM4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pub1nEfXOgNpQgPd88+gIQC6i2YtQzrV4ZgtDq2rT4PFdxS2RPnN cplNG7IpaVSeiXim0BRPayJAAvmsADXM3H0eeXPakcFgVCA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKusSsRbkHgidLJo7vctWb0fdK/sg5v9UCwSZ0QOqejDoYM8GMC7T5JnsrhWCLtkhEM3HVrjic+Yr3YV7Z16RI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1395:: with SMTP id k21mr13672882qki.120.1588546388491; Sun, 03 May 2020 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1821f420-8977-0d91-b0f9-9d41b12d11ae@konstantinhansen.de> <5EAE8DA1.8020105@youngman.org.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Mark Knecht Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 15:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] which linux RAID setup to choose? To: Gentoo User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000032121e05a4c6476f" X-Archives-Salt: 7bb91909-aa01-4a5f-9356-b2398be3bfb2 X-Archives-Hash: 99f68e48c431ce3026bc99dd5ac6b847 --00000000000032121e05a4c6476f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 1:16 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 2:29 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > I've used the WD Reds and WD Golds (no not sold) and never had any problem. > > > > Up until a few weeks ago I would have advised the same, but WD was > just caught shipping unadvertised SMR in WD Red disks. This is going > to at the very least impact your performance if you do a lot of > writes, and it can be incompatible with rebuilds in particular with > some RAID implementations. Seagate and Toshiba have also been quietly > using it but not in their NAS-labeled drives and not as extensively in > general. I read somewhere that they knew they'd been caught and were coming clean. As I'm not buying anything at this time I didn't pay too much attention. This link is at least similar to what I read earlier. Possibly it's of interest. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/309730-western-digital-comes-clean-shares-which-hard-drives-use-smr Another case of unbridled capitalism and consumers being hurt. Cheers, Mark --00000000000032121e05a4c6476f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 1:16 PM Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 2:29 PM Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>= > I've used the WD Reds and WD Golds (no not sold) and never had an= y problem.
> >
>
> Up until a few weeks ago I would ha= ve advised the same, but WD was
> just caught shipping unadvertised S= MR in WD Red disks.=C2=A0 This is going
> to at the very least impact= your performance if you do a lot of
> writes, and it can be incompat= ible with rebuilds in particular with
> some RAID implementations.=C2= =A0 Seagate and Toshiba have also been quietly
> using it but not in = their NAS-labeled drives and not as extensively in
> general.

=
I read somewhere that they knew they'd been caught and were coming= clean.
As I'm not buying anything at this time I didn't = pay too much attention.

This link is at least = similar to what I read earlier. Possibly it's of interest.

Another case of unbridled capi= talism and consumers being hurt.

Cheers,
Mark


--00000000000032121e05a4c6476f--