Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

[Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I noticed eudev has hit the tree.  Has anyone used it yet?  If so, any
>>> issues?  Did you just uninstall udev and install eudev in one step or
>>> some other way?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy but curious
>>> as to what others may have ran into.
>>>
>>> Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>
>> Even if someone has, and clearly _someone_ out there has or it likely
>> wouldn't even be visible yet, but even if 10 or 20 people have, and
>> even if all of their results are fine because they are high skill set
>> folks, why would that change how you are running your machines?
>>
>> I suspect this is about your (and my) dislike for dealing with initrd
>> on a box at home. Gentoo doesn't make it at all easy so we're in that
>> together. However so what if someone has used it? Let it get used for
>> 6 months. Let it go stable. Why bother with a piece of software that
>> won't really improve your life now that you do have your 'init
>> thingy'?
>>
>> Just my view,
>> Mark

> Well, it appears that one version is stable:
>
> root@fireball / # equery list -p eudev
>  * Searching for eudev ...
> [-P-] [  ] sys-fs/eudev-0:0
> [-P-] [ ~] sys-fs/eudev-1_beta1-r1:0
> [-P-] [ -] sys-fs/eudev-9999:0
> root@fireball / #
>
> The first one is not keyworded or masked.
>
> You are right, I don't like the init fix because when I used Mandrake,
> it caused me all sorts of problems.  That and the upgrade process for
> Mandrake is the reason I switched to Gentoo.  If eudev is ready, then so
> am I.
>
> Dale

Well, OK, so if you want to call version 0.0 stable then I guess that
meets the rules of portage anyway. However version '0.0' doesn't sound
like anything that's seen the light of day, been used by lots of
people and proven robust and stable. At least to me it sounds like a
place holder...

This is just my view, but it goes something like this:

1) Unless someone tells me why a really new package helps me then I go
slow, most especially if it could have a large impact like a new
version of udev might.

2) Somewhere in the install guide, or elsewhere, I don't remember, it
says something like 'don't expect ~packages to work correctly. We do
what we can to check them but you should expect things to break'. And
then most importantly, again from memory and paraphrased 'If you don't
know how to fix things when they do break don't use ~packages'. I let
these few sentences guide a lot of my Gentoo maintenance here at home.
I mask packages (good info from Bruce about which to mask) and wait
for the heavy lifters to shake things out a bit before I update things
that might take more than 5 minutes to fix.

Again, all my systems are stable with ~amd64 only when required to get
an app, but that's just me.

Good luck with whatever path you take.

Cheers,
Mark