From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02141381FB for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6E5E21C07A; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7FEC21C002 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l8so5863816qaq.0 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wMkdpLKJmfKmaG7P3ObvOMRxZzuLVrQpt7gNUTQAvf4=; b=Sot4l5igtrai6YhVlQP4RbOXkPJ2HQM6j+nQfcKdTgXYqISR9ayo20wzqR6UF1j0SS DRSu9sON06Rr2C4U6ENYvr4zC2f5J/04TLeF7M0KdQncp8062bZBkTWoVqgggN6mSaWy 3Y4+d+gH1Mhslh11XDG2iJg6mhwsnhr17/+P5l+0D+Gf3rsDGEufDZQB0We6UKM9h16v U1LncbFsqWchQB1CaLwedFthngT95IaGEN+5JVQhw9UaScic6YTpRgZviWtncqkpb+W8 xN+Lid8lFb/g25U1mwYRNyMmFhGCgOkacC3+ERrY5XT5P+9DwcC2X5LmTnciTvVHovwQ pr7g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.104.108 with SMTP id gd12mr15492391qeb.37.1356555605756; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.186.132 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50DB5F54.7090906@gmail.com> References: <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D8B467.4080100@gmail.com> <20121224230413.GL26547@server> <20121224182907.2bf6d3d6@fuchsia.remarqs.net> <20121225021332.GQ26547@server> <20121225165143.GB11243@ns1.bonedaddy.net> <20121225232612.GW26547@server> <20121226142419.GE16323@ns1.bonedaddy.net> <20121226170335.GA26547@server> <50DB5F54.7090906@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:00:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? From: Mark Knecht To: Gentoo User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 50242367-16a3-47a4-915b-806fa816e945 X-Archives-Hash: 87da56107558b9f7fd59083eb18bea9d On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> One interesting small point I got out of the docs that Neil pointed me >> toward: That since linux-2.6 we're all using an initramfs "The 2.6 >> kernel build process always creates a gzipped cpio format initramfs >> archive and links it into the resulting kernel binary. By default, >> this archive is empty (consuming 134 bytes on x86)." So it's a nit but >> no one should be saying "I don't use an init thingy" but rather "My >> init thingy is empty and has no jobs to do on my system". (Or at least >> that's my understanding...) - Mark > > > Hence it will not fail, right? Adding another point of failure is my > problem with this. As I have said before, when I was using Mandriva, > then Mandrake, the init thingy would fail on a regular basis. It is one > reason I left Mandriva. I got tired of the breakage and Gentoo didn't > need one. So, here I am, good or bad. ;-) > > Dale Dale, not enough info: If the init thingy is empty and if your kernel boots then it did not fail. If the init thingy is not empty and your kernel boots it did not fail. If the init thingy is not empty and your kernel does not boot we don't know what failed. Might be your init thingy, might be something else. I hope you understand I understand both your POV as well as your frustration. Maybe the work I'm doing in my thread will allow both of us to be more comfortable with init thingies. I'm going the opposite direction as you. I don't need one (on most of my home machines) but I'm going to add one on all my machines. It will become part of the way I maintain them all and hopefully I'll get more comfortable with the process. Cheers, Mark