From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016DD138E20 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5856FE0B39; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37085E0B2F for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: floppym) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3EFD33FB32 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id f8so1380615wiw.3 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MPhf4hssSRLotVrKeYPdLn/6KC0Qq3gD3IrXqlzuTQk=; b=FlXz62AGi57roaTa/S+RQlQ9QQcbuiBsAQO5n8LSNF/3TsQHbUpB89DqqwlDheo7i+ dE+o4IMFUxF3Qko8aVcBa8AjFNaIgIG1TJ4BJE2+dDXZYa9IDwNzuG2WoT3eNvQbFDre LVh6l+32TcNtKuGT4UZfaL3LsM6Nmt2EQjFDSoQKEHUIjkPXgqBjjuoBmmWRjRzAK4uR WB0T7SMkn4gNUlLM2a17gK1FuMvOYUdEZTfwlFDarz0nEzDDmM5OIrdMtU4PPvNoMxl1 WtJxF8e7b/W7XJ3IEg0CeqoeFyivsFKApn0g/rDxfy8pGOtDZW9lOt3Kf8HiMiCKNweS 7R5g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.91.164 with SMTP id cf4mr4966280wib.37.1392872818436; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.162.229 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:06:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5304AA22.8040104@libertytrek.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <53010ADB.2070708@yandex.ru> <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <530125E0.1080105@googlemail.com> <5303CB09.60308@darkmetatron.de> <5304AA22.8040104@libertytrek.org> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: Mike Gilbert To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 53bb603c-5fa9-43dd-a090-69bf7ea18f4f X-Archives-Hash: 6484572dc527989b44b2f493d668d1f4 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Tanstaafl wrot= e: > On 2014-02-18 4:05 PM, Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler = wrote: >> >> First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped >> with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a >> binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config >> files of systemd, deactivated journald and configured logging to rsyslog >> instead. And just like journald many (if not most or even all, I'm still >> at the surface of systemd configuration) of the new and ugly tools can >> be replaced by the good old tools we like and love. > > > Thanks Sebastian. > > I had pretty much come to this same conclusion without even having tried > systemd yet. > > This, combined with the new knowledge that it is relatively trivial to al= low > peaceful co-existence for systemd users through the use of profiles, and > that these would need to be created and maintained by those who want or n= eed > the equivalent systemd version of any given profile, now boils down to on= e > last thing... > > Getting the Gentoo Council behind this idea, and providing an officially > supported - or maybe a better term is *mandated* - process whereby system= d > proponents can create and then maintain new systemd versions of any exist= ing > profiles. Just jumping in here as one of Gentoo's systemd maintainers: There is no point in creating a second set of profiles just for systemd. Profiles do not perform any magic; they just set/mask use flags and set default values for some other ebuild variables. The reason we do not have a full set of "systemd profiles" is because they would serve no useful purpose; there is simply nothing to be gained from creating them. If I wanted to switch from systemd back openrc at this very moment, I would do the following: 1. Unset the systemd use flag. 2. Replace sys-apps/systemd with sys-fs/udev (optional). 3. Run emerge -uDNav world Having a separate profile does not make that process any easier.