[gentoo-user] dev-python sub-categories?

[gentoo-user] dev-python sub-categories?

[James]

Hello,


So /usr/portage/dev-python is around 1500 packages. Is it time to
create some new categories to reduce this size, or is it ok, in the
"gentoo-way" for everything /python/ to be lumped into dev-python/?


We do not organize things around 'C' like that, so since python is 
ubiquitous in linux now, does it make since to treat /python/ differently
that we do bash or C ?


Or am I miss reading this portage tree organizational wisdom? I understand it
and agree with it for one-off languages, but surely python has passed that 
point?


curiously,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] dev-python sub-categories?

[Mike Gilbert]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:43 PM, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> So /usr/portage/dev-python is around 1500 packages. Is it time to
> create some new categories to reduce this size, or is it ok, in the
> "gentoo-way" for everything /python/ to be lumped into dev-python/?
>
>
> We do not organize things around 'C' like that, so since python is
> ubiquitous in linux now, does it make since to treat /python/ differently
> that we do bash or C ?
>
>
> Or am I miss reading this portage tree organizational wisdom? I understand it
> and agree with it for one-off languages, but surely python has passed that
> point?

I think you have asked this question on the wrong mailing list.
gentoo-dev would be more appropriate.

[gentoo-user] Re: dev-python sub-categories?

[James]

Mike Gilbert <floppym <at> gentoo.org> writes:


> > So /usr/portage/dev-python is around 1500 packages. Is it time to
> > create some new categories to reduce this size, or is it ok, in the
> > "gentoo-way" for everything /python/ to be lumped into dev-python/?

> > We do not organize things around 'C' like that, so since python is
> > ubiquitous in linux now, does it make since to treat /python/ 
> > differently that we do bash or C ?

> > Or am I miss reading this portage tree organizational wisdom? 
> > I understand it  and agree with it for one-off languages, but 
> > surely python has passed that point?

> I think you have asked this question on the wrong mailing list.
> gentoo-dev would be more appropriate.


It is rhetorical in nature:: just looking for ideas and wise guidance from
some other old farts and youngsters.

Besides the bike-shedding on GD sometimes includes the throwing of
gears and sprockets so it's safer to see what folks think here. 
If I'm lucky, a gentoo dev will re-formulate the idea, add a wee bit of
deeper (git) thought to it and then re-master it as his own idea........

Furthermore, some other categories are growing large too, so there
does seem to be some logical need to define, as least qualitatively,
the criteria when a portage tree category needs to be split. Or 
at least mention some motivational categorization monikers  related  as
to how and why categories are defined in the first place.

Maybe it's already unofficially  part of the PMS? 
A future GLEP?



;-)	
James

[gentoo-user] Re: dev-python sub-categories?

[James]

James <wireless <at> tampabay.rr.com> writes:


> > > So /usr/portage/dev-python is around 1500 packages. Is it time to
> > > create some new categories to reduce this size, or is it ok, in the
> > > "gentoo-way" for everything /python/ to be lumped into dev-python/?

> > I think you have asked this question on the wrong mailing list.
> > gentoo-dev would be more appropriate.
> 
> It is rhetorical in nature:: just looking for ideas and wise guidance from
> some other old farts and youngsters.

Wow, we are now getting close to a portage tree /dev-python/ audit and
discussion?

From the gentoo-dev list::

> dev-python/configshell
> dev-python/rtslib

I looked at whether these should be owned by the Python team, but I
don't think they should be. It looks like they're low-level utilities
that happen to be written in Python. As such, they probably shouldn't
even be in dev-python.

(OH)- (S0)-  close.....

Really, somebody with a bit more python expertise than me should really
put forward this discussion on gentoo_dev.....


James