[gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Howdy,

Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
even less. 

Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
matter on this I guess. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Nilesh Govindrajan]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
> even less.
>
> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
> matter on this I guess.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>
>

Sounds like a segfault. Saw dmesg?

-- 
Nilesh Govindrajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
>> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
>> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
>> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
>> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
>> even less.
>>
>> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
>> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
>> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
>> matter on this I guess.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>> --
>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>
>>
> Sounds like a segfault. Saw dmesg?
>

Now that you mention it, I found this line at the tail end of dmesg:

[12006045.183173] plasma-desktop[12552]: segfault at 0 ip
00007f2033f3279c sp 00007fff1d43be10 error 4 in
libQtDeclarative.so.4.8.4[7f2033d75000+3a2000]

I think I see the problem.  I bet KDE 4.10 needs a newer qt set.  Going
to check on that now. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Nilesh Govindrajan]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
>>> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
>>> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
>>> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
>>> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
>>> even less.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
>>> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
>>> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
>>> matter on this I guess.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds like a segfault. Saw dmesg?
>>
>
> Now that you mention it, I found this line at the tail end of dmesg:
>
> [12006045.183173] plasma-desktop[12552]: segfault at 0 ip
> 00007f2033f3279c sp 00007fff1d43be10 error 4 in
> libQtDeclarative.so.4.8.4[7f2033d75000+3a2000]
>
> I think I see the problem.  I bet KDE 4.10 needs a newer qt set.  Going
> to check on that now.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>
>

Make sure that you're not using any variant of -O3. It messes up
things like crazy :D

-- 
Nilesh Govindrajan
http://nileshgr.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Howdy,
>>>>
>>>> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
>>>> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
>>>> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
>>>> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
>>>> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
>>>> even less.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
>>>> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
>>>> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
>>>> matter on this I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-)  :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sounds like a segfault. Saw dmesg?
>>>
>> Now that you mention it, I found this line at the tail end of dmesg:
>>
>> [12006045.183173] plasma-desktop[12552]: segfault at 0 ip
>> 00007f2033f3279c sp 00007fff1d43be10 error 4 in
>> libQtDeclarative.so.4.8.4[7f2033d75000+3a2000]
>>
>> I think I see the problem.  I bet KDE 4.10 needs a newer qt set.  Going
>> to check on that now.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>> --
>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>
>>
> Make sure that you're not using any variant of -O3. It messes up
> things like crazy :D
>

Well, there was only one newer package with a -r1 on the end, qt-core. 
I upgraded it and no change.  As for my flags, I have the same flags I
have had since I built this rig. 

CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"

I want stability more than speed so I keep it real.  No need trying
something silly and having problems. 

Well, when emerge -e world finishes and it still doesn't work, I'll go
back to KDE 4.9.* for a bit to see if it gets fixed. 

Open to ideas tho.  If anyone has one.  It's not like I have a really
nice simple error message to help things along.  :/ 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Mike Gilbert]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
>>>>> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
>>>>> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
>>>>> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
>>>>> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
>>>>> even less.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
>>>>> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
>>>>> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
>>>>> matter on this I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a segfault. Saw dmesg?
>>>>
>>> Now that you mention it, I found this line at the tail end of dmesg:
>>>
>>> [12006045.183173] plasma-desktop[12552]: segfault at 0 ip
>>> 00007f2033f3279c sp 00007fff1d43be10 error 4 in
>>> libQtDeclarative.so.4.8.4[7f2033d75000+3a2000]
>>>
>>> I think I see the problem.  I bet KDE 4.10 needs a newer qt set.  Going
>>> to check on that now.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>>
>>>
>> Make sure that you're not using any variant of -O3. It messes up
>> things like crazy :D
>>
>
> Well, there was only one newer package with a -r1 on the end, qt-core.
> I upgraded it and no change.  As for my flags, I have the same flags I
> have had since I built this rig.
>
> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
>
> I want stability more than speed so I keep it real.  No need trying
> something silly and having problems.
>
> Well, when emerge -e world finishes and it still doesn't work, I'll go
> back to KDE 4.9.* for a bit to see if it gets fixed.
>
> Open to ideas tho.  If anyone has one.  It's not like I have a really
> nice simple error message to help things along.  :/
>

I had the same issue after upgrading, and was directed to bug 450818
in #gentoo-kde.

I ended up downgrading to 4.9.5 again.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Yohan Pereira]

On 08/02/13 at 12:04pm, Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
> even less. 
> 
> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
> matter on this I guess. 

I updated earlier today everything seems fine. I didnt keyword anything
though so maybe trying syncing and updating again, something probably
got patched.
 

-- 

- Yohan Pereira

The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference
between a mermaid and a seal.
                -- Mark Twain

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On 08/02/13 at 12:04pm, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Well, KDE 4.10 has hit the tree.  I added it and all its friends to the
>> keyword file and off it went updating.  When I logged out and back in
>> again, I get a error that plasma has crashed.  There is no wallpaper
>> like there used to be, no kicker/panel thingy at the bottom or
>> anything.  Basically, it looks a lot like icewm or something or maybe
>> even less. 
>>
>> Has anyone else upgraded and ran into this?  I'm doing a emerge -e world
>> now, just for giggles, but will go back if that doesn't fix it.  The
>> only package that failed to compile was kphoto or something.  Shouldn't
>> matter on this I guess. 
> I updated earlier today everything seems fine. I didnt keyword anything
> though so maybe trying syncing and updating again, something probably
> got patched.
>  
>

Mike posted a bug number.  I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
me.  Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me?  :-) 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:39:51 -0600, Dale wrote:

> Mike posted a bug number.  I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
> me.  Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me?  :-) 

If affected my laptop but not my desktop. Re-emerging qt-core with
-Os in CFLAGS instead of -O2 "fixes" it.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

WinErr 001: Windows loaded - System in danger

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:39:51 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> Mike posted a bug number. I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
>> me. Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me? :-)
>
> If affected my laptop but not my desktop. Re-emerging qt-core with
> -Os in CFLAGS instead of -O2 "fixes" it.
>
>

I think I am going to go back to KDE 4.9 for now.  They are working on
it.  It appears that gcc is the real problem tho.  So, I may just
upgrade it and see what it breaks.  lol  Come to think of it, I may
already have a newer one installed.  Its been a while since I switched
gcc versions.  Hmmm, going to test this.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

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how you interpreted my words!


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

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Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:39:51 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >
> >> Mike posted a bug number. I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
> >> me. Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me? :-)
> >
> > If affected my laptop but not my desktop. Re-emerging qt-core with
> > -Os in CFLAGS instead of -O2 "fixes" it.
> >
> >
>
> I think I am going to go back to KDE 4.9 for now.  They are working on
> it.  It appears that gcc is the real problem tho.  So, I may just
> upgrade it and see what it breaks.  lol  Come to think of it, I may
> already have a newer one installed.  Its been a while since I switched
> gcc versions.  Hmmm, going to test this.  ;-)
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> -- 
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood
> or how you interpreted my words!
>

Well, switched to a newer gcc, same thing.  Going back to KDE 4.9 for a
bit.  They will have it fixed in a couple days.  After all, Linux has
some of the smartest programmers there is.  I'm not sure of some users
tho, myself included.  ;-) 

There was a update to the bug.  They seem to have moved away from it
being gcc.  Anyway, they working on it. 

Thanks ALL. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:45:13 -0600, Dale wrote:

> Well, switched to a newer gcc, same thing.  Going back to KDE 4.9 for a
> bit.  They will have it fixed in a couple days.  After all, Linux has
> some of the smartest programmers there is.  I'm not sure of some users
> tho, myself included.  ;-) 

Changing CFLAGS and rebuilding one package is a lot less work that a
complete downgrade.


-- 
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He who laughs last thinks slowest!

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am 08.02.2013 23:54, schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:45:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
> 
>> Well, switched to a newer gcc, same thing.  Going back to KDE 4.9 for a
>> bit.  They will have it fixed in a couple days.  After all, Linux has
>> some of the smartest programmers there is.  I'm not sure of some users
>> tho, myself included.  ;-) 
> 
> Changing CFLAGS and rebuilding one package is a lot less work that a
> complete downgrade.

Only if you don't have a backup (which I did before upgrading, but I can't be
bothered with redoing the upgrade in only a few days, so I'll sit it out with
Awesome in the meantime). Thankfully, my netbook, which needs very many an hour
to build KDE, runs x86 and isn't affected.
-- 
Gruß | Greetings | Qapla'
A neutron walks into a bar: "How much is a drink?" - "For you, no charge."

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Am 08.02.2013 23:54, schrieb Neil Bothwick:
>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:45:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> Well, switched to a newer gcc, same thing.  Going back to KDE 4.9 for a
>>> bit.  They will have it fixed in a couple days.  After all, Linux has
>>> some of the smartest programmers there is.  I'm not sure of some users
>>> tho, myself included.  ;-) 
>> Changing CFLAGS and rebuilding one package is a lot less work that a
>> complete downgrade.
> Only if you don't have a backup (which I did before upgrading, but I can't be
> bothered with redoing the upgrade in only a few days, so I'll sit it out with
> Awesome in the meantime). Thankfully, my netbook, which needs very many an hour
> to build KDE, runs x86 and isn't affected.

Yep.  I rm'd the kde.keyword file and did a emerge -kuv world and down
went KDE.  Took about 5 or 10 minutes.  I cooked and ate supper while
the drive light blinked.  

Back to normal now. 

Thanks again.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Neil Bothwick]

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Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > Am 08.02.2013 23:54, schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> >> On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:45:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, switched to a newer gcc, same thing.  Going back to KDE 4.9
> for a
> >>> bit.  They will have it fixed in a couple days.  After all, Linux
> has
> >>> some of the smartest programmers there is.  I'm not sure of some
> users
> >>> tho, myself included.  ;-) 
> >> Changing CFLAGS and rebuilding one package is a lot less work that
> a
> >> complete downgrade.
> > Only if you don't have a backup (which I did before upgrading, but I
> can't be
> > bothered with redoing the upgrade in only a few days, so I'll sit it
> out with
> > Awesome in the meantime). Thankfully, my netbook, which needs very
> many an hour
> > to build KDE, runs x86 and isn't affected.
> 
> Yep.  I rm'd the kde.keyword file and did a emerge -kuv world and down
> went KDE.  Took about 5 or 10 minutes.  I cooked and ate supper while
> the drive light blinked.  
> 
> Back to normal now. 
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> -- 
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood
> or how you interpreted my words!

Of course I have backups, although a quick run of demerge got it back for me. But rolling back KDE, with the attendant hassles of messed up configs, only sidesteps the bug , which relates to qr-core not KDE.

At least it prompted me to, belatedley, set up snapshots on my new ZFS setup, so some good came of it.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>
>         Am 08.02.2013 23:54, schrieb Neil Bothwick:
>
>             On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:45:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>                 Well, switched to a newer gcc, same thing. Going back
>                 to KDE 4.9 for a bit. They will have it fixed in a
>                 couple days. After all, Linux has some of the smartest
>                 programmers there is. I'm not sure of some users tho,
>                 myself included. ;-) 
>
>             Changing CFLAGS and rebuilding one package is a lot less
>             work that a complete downgrade. 
>
>         Only if you don't have a backup (which I did before upgrading,
>         but I can't be bothered with redoing the upgrade in only a few
>         days, so I'll sit it out with Awesome in the meantime).
>         Thankfully, my netbook, which needs very many an hour to build
>         KDE, runs x86 and isn't affected.
>
>
>     Yep.  I rm'd the kde.keyword file and did a emerge -kuv world and down
>     went KDE.  Took about 5 or 10 minutes.  I cooked and ate supper while
>     the drive light blinked.  
>
>     Back to normal now. 
>
>     Thanks again.
>
>     Dale
>
>     :-)  :-) 
>
>
> Of course I have backups, although a quick run of demerge got it back
> for me. But rolling back KDE, with the attendant hassles of messed up
> configs, only sidesteps the bug , which relates to qr-core not KDE.
>
> At least it prompted me to, belatedley, set up snapshots on my new ZFS
> setup, so some good came of it.
> -- 
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

I didn't have any config problems at all.  I did have to update but its
the same thing I have to do when I do a upgrade.  It may only be a qt
problem but it sure did bork KDE up badly.  KDE was practically dead in
the water.  It reminded me of a ship that got hit by a large torpedo. 
It was not sinking, it was sunk.  Almost nothing KDE worked.  No kicker,
no wallpaper for the desktop, no KDE menu, no right clicking on the
desktop.  Also, no way to log out either.  The only way to logout was to
restart xdm.  Yea, no matter what caused it, for ME at least,
downgrading was the easiest and fastest. 

YMMV tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:25:25 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > Of course I have backups, although a quick run of demerge got it back
> > for me. But rolling back KDE, with the attendant hassles of messed up
> > configs, only sidesteps the bug , which relates to qr-core not KDE.

> I didn't have any config problems at all.  I did have to update but its
> the same thing I have to do when I do a upgrade.

It's not the same. KDE has an inbuilt system for handling upgrades, one
that does any config file conversions that may be needed without the
applications needing to worry about it. But it only handles upgrades, not
downgrades. After downgrading, my Activities were messed up.

Of course, the best thing about tackling the problem at, or at least
nearer, the source is that I won't have to upgrade KDE again when it's
fixed ;-)


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Robin Atwood]

On Sunday 10 Feb 2013, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:25:25 -0600, Dale wrote:
> > > Of course I have backups, although a quick run of demerge got it back
> > > for me. But rolling back KDE, with the attendant hassles of messed up
> > > configs, only sidesteps the bug , which relates to qr-core not KDE.
> > 
> > I didn't have any config problems at all.  I did have to update but its
> > the same thing I have to do when I do a upgrade.
> 
> It's not the same. KDE has an inbuilt system for handling upgrades, one
> that does any config file conversions that may be needed without the
> applications needing to worry about it. But it only handles upgrades, not
> downgrades. After downgrading, my Activities were messed up.
> 
> Of course, the best thing about tackling the problem at, or at least
> nearer, the source is that I won't have to upgrade KDE again when it's
> fixed ;-)

The issue is now moot, if you sync and upgrade you will get a new qt-core and 
plasma-workspace which work happily when compiled with -O2. :)

-Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Sunday 10 Feb 2013, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:25:25 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>>> Of course I have backups, although a quick run of demerge got it back
>>>> for me. But rolling back KDE, with the attendant hassles of messed up
>>>> configs, only sidesteps the bug , which relates to qr-core not KDE.
>>> I didn't have any config problems at all.  I did have to update but its
>>> the same thing I have to do when I do a upgrade.
>> It's not the same. KDE has an inbuilt system for handling upgrades, one
>> that does any config file conversions that may be needed without the
>> applications needing to worry about it. But it only handles upgrades, not
>> downgrades. After downgrading, my Activities were messed up.
>>
>> Of course, the best thing about tackling the problem at, or at least
>> nearer, the source is that I won't have to upgrade KDE again when it's
>> fixed ;-)
> The issue is now moot, if you sync and upgrade you will get a new qt-core and 
> plasma-workspace which work happily when compiled with -O2. :)
>
> -Robin

That's good to hear Robin.  I knew they would get it fixed, as soon as
they nailed jello to the wall and figured out what was broke.  lol 

I guess I keep my KDE to simple then Neil.  I went backwards and other
than the fact everything worked, I couldn't tell any difference.  I
don't think I use "activities" so maybe I need to check into those.  If
I start using those, that will be something else I can watch for
breakage on.  ;-)  lol

Plan to upgrade later tonight.  Sort of let the tree settle a bit. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 04:23:55PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:39:51 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >
> >> Mike posted a bug number. I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
> >> me. Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me? :-)
> >
> > If affected my laptop but not my desktop. Re-emerging qt-core with
> > -Os in CFLAGS instead of -O2 "fixes" it.
> 
> I think I am going to go back to KDE 4.9 for now.  They are working on
> it.  It appears that gcc is the real problem tho.  So, I may just
> upgrade it and see what it breaks.  lol  Come to think of it, I may
> already have a newer one installed.  Its been a while since I switched
> gcc versions.  Hmmm, going to test this.  ;-)

I just went the least way of resistance and built qt-core with -Os. It solved
the problem for me, too¹. 

Even if my machine had the power to emerge -eD world, that doesn’t mean I
should do this all the time, just because it might solve a problem (with a big
MIGHT). Electricity isn’t as clean as in Captain Picard’s days just yet.  ;-)

¹ had -O2 as well, latest stable gcc 4.6.3
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

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Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 04:23:55PM -0600, Dale wrote:
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:39:51 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike posted a bug number. I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
>>>> me. Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me? :-)
>>>
>>> If affected my laptop but not my desktop. Re-emerging qt-core with
>>> -Os in CFLAGS instead of -O2 "fixes" it.
>>
>> I think I am going to go back to KDE 4.9 for now. They are working on
>> it. It appears that gcc is the real problem tho. So, I may just
>> upgrade it and see what it breaks. lol Come to think of it, I may
>> already have a newer one installed. Its been a while since I switched
>> gcc versions. Hmmm, going to test this. ;-)
>
> I just went the least way of resistance and built qt-core with -Os. It
solved
> the problem for me, too¹.
>
> Even if my machine had the power to emerge -eD world, that doesn’t mean I
> should do this all the time, just because it might solve a problem
(with a big
> MIGHT). Electricity isn’t as clean as in Captain Picard’s days just
yet. ;-)
>
> ¹ had -O2 as well, latest stable gcc 4.6.3

Actually, according to the bug report, that may not fix it for
everyone.  So, there is a chance that may not work.  The thinking was it
was something to do with gcc.  Then someone posted that it wasn't gcc
but something else.  I just don't want to use something that I know has
issues and *could* cause problems I am not aware of.

My easy way to to remove the package.keyword file for KDE 4.10 and just
emerge -uvk world.  I keep binaries just for when this sort of things
happens.  It's been a good long while since this has happenend with a
KDE upgrade but I'm glad I had them.  5 to 10 minutes and I am back to a
working system.  The devs will have this fixed in the next couple days
if it is not fixed upstream already.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Nilesh Govindrajan]

On Saturday 09 February 2013 08:17:44 AM IST, Dale wrote:
> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 04:23:55PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> >> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:39:51 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mike posted a bug number. I guess it doesn't hit everyone but it did
> >>>> me. Is anyone that knows me surprised that this bug hit me? :-)
> >>>
> >>> If affected my laptop but not my desktop. Re-emerging qt-core with
> >>> -Os in CFLAGS instead of -O2 "fixes" it.
> >>
> >> I think I am going to go back to KDE 4.9 for now. They are working on
> >> it. It appears that gcc is the real problem tho. So, I may just
> >> upgrade it and see what it breaks. lol Come to think of it, I may
> >> already have a newer one installed. Its been a while since I switched
> >> gcc versions. Hmmm, going to test this. ;-)
> >
> > I just went the least way of resistance and built qt-core with -Os.
> It solved
> > the problem for me, too¹.
> >
> > Even if my machine had the power to emerge -eD world, that doesn’t
> mean I
> > should do this all the time, just because it might solve a problem
> (with a big
> > MIGHT). Electricity isn’t as clean as in Captain Picard’s days just
> yet. ;-)
> >
> > ¹ had -O2 as well, latest stable gcc 4.6.3
>
> Actually, according to the bug report, that may not fix it for
> everyone.  So, there is a chance that may not work.  The thinking was
> it was something to do with gcc.  Then someone posted that it wasn't
> gcc but something else.  I just don't want to use something that I
> know has issues and *could* cause problems I am not aware of.
>
> My easy way to to remove the package.keyword file for KDE 4.10 and
> just emerge -uvk world.  I keep binaries just for when this sort of
> things happens.  It's been a good long while since this has happenend
> with a KDE upgrade but I'm glad I had them.  5 to 10 minutes and I am
> back to a working system.  The devs will have this fixed in the next
> couple days if it is not fixed upstream already.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
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> or how you interpreted my words!
>

Dale, which version of GCC are you using? I'm on 4.7.2, updating KDE 
now, will report back after a few hours when it's done.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Nilesh Govindrajan]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan <me@nileshgr.com> wrote:
>
> Dale, which version of GCC are you using? I'm on 4.7.2, updating KDE
> now, will report back after a few hours when it's done.
>
> --
> Nilesh Govindarajan
> http://nileshgr.com

Those few hours took almost the whole day, meh! Thanks to chromium.
Anyways, it's working without any hassles for me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.10 and plasma crashing

[Dale]

Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> Dale, which version of GCC are you using? I'm on 4.7.2, updating KDE
> now, will report back after a few hours when it's done. -- Nilesh
> Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com 

At first, gcc-4.5.4.  The second time, gcc-4.6.3.  According to the
roach report, they have a fix for this.  Just waiting for it to travel
from the top to the bottom. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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