From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32A4D158086 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C8862BC07E; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot1-f49.google.com (mail-ot1-f49.google.com [209.85.210.49]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90FBCE0874 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-f49.google.com with SMTP id x3-20020a05683000c300b0057a5318c517so6464003oto.13 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=uKsOQnrhFq8Wg1kjFxz6JnabOptVL/7JBj8czD9ZDAE=; b=vtztn47mwriJej+40zfUk7JQO8uhsS0LHm6lKjf4ULHDqXdjqvy3EHElJR91KbTWtl mtueBvtkDgNd1RW2e/r9bYOTPGb2LYd94SWYTrVrX9TYZu/B5FGHKq/PVDZy6htyxWyZ VFT8Q+sSLeOaN6a4V12wedg0oczal1FpI8JpFHEIMY67sbjrKFUN5YsQ8Dkb2k2skLIb IL/8sIkBBlihaPLONjEpxMiQblsbPPNIrYIypdjvC6PGvC5YpBkr0YaqY2DVn6DvtW4r 3gZ4Jm/iam/5wWLzOAo0ZmCyS0JPjxJsIcwZD1Qp/wQJGAyund0s0CH6sOVv8X83u9T0 t0qA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531to/Uc5vpdt3i/ilxqubqtMEShJXE/yAtvqtmP17tGfP5O9CC8 4qVplREAveArfKMJy5sMvBymsALm1gvrVN8r7ZKR06Ao X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzPo+OcxK3cxrKEKtyDLxfEkvwhdp1CpRR7fQ2Fi6cUoTYz5VMLl8snr8tNtKgJm+G//sMWm+sLa5Er195DoiM= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7d12:: with SMTP id v18mr7372664otn.305.1638386896544; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:28:16 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <93be8036aeddc1d191669db27e6d957ce4f9ff5a.camel@gmail.com> <20211201111736.05816b19@tux2.localnet> In-Reply-To: <20211201111736.05816b19@tux2.localnet> From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 14:28:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] eudev/udev changeover: a warning to Linode customers To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: a6eb84ec-d29e-4b43-b90b-f8067359004d X-Archives-Hash: f85cd16c59d4941e2e737c1617e237ff On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 2:17 PM Jigme Datse wrote: > > I honestly was afraid of this with running some updates lately. > Like... Not this specifically, but because someone was commenting > about eudev->udev causing problems... And then the problems I was > having a hard time with some updates on a relatively new instance, and > I noticed that was something that needed to be done for Gentoo > purposes... They do seem to be doing *somewhat* better for having > Gentoo workable than when I started looking at using them in part > because of that (yeah I know it's not recommended, and I don't really > recommend it for anyone else, but it's what I like). > I suspect they would have had similar issues with other distros, but that would have been years ago when udev made the change and eudev decided not to merge it. That dates to around the time eudev started. They may very well have done more hand-holding or mitigation for the other distros simply due to their popularity, and also uniformity. The distros themselves probably also did some mitigation around this change so that the average Ubuntu user who doesn't know what an "eth0" is wouldn't have to be aware of the change. With Gentoo a certain amount of this stuff just has to be dropped on the user simply because we can't be sure users didn't change things, and indeed being able to change this stuff is part of the appeal of Gentoo. Besides, Gentoo users probably would want to be aware of it anyway... -- Rich