From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22594158020 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 01:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 061B5E0886; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 01:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb1-f182.google.com (mail-yb1-f182.google.com [209.85.219.182]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC440E0843 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 01:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f182.google.com with SMTP id 203so3417932yby.10 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:37:14 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ou1oJ2jPHQGAmXi6Jdl7/sqTeCVLeI0HwPNJDGMnHtU=; b=yUAJh4TFZpjNsXJpoRV4WyrjgAIkqzpd5GxbDP4FN6mRS5Jvve7ctdETzWOij0N2xx pIeVDQvk/+uoDAYiLXGKTB4V8lbD1rlgNYFXdPApj/0o69q8yzYqElZnTY8iZwsBODNf 5dk/A8vFfMg78XYCXMZs8EVMfZnh2fWYQrbXdmCwoyMquEYyZ3uFxeuf6Nkh7ci7vUOl +eEwCUxdUe8TOJuAULPINXWtJqMEIZrpt182q0MYVtqyaSBl55GEAPgxdv2sWPCk28gd jsx/JeBoBlKPUE/7G5zGefAJiEnaBjIN1BKFF5pMGSjH4+10G7YKQxzjpG7cx8YgZpHj xVNg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnx0zjpSHXpU8X6+oKE94j6E3Ez4aQbudOv13i/yuudUhPezh3y qg+dA4leEklTMhc8xY2s6ZSTVjv5e4IPooJ3jwy4wXaeYwM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4iibr70PCA/FCrD1wrrnrT1KAX18DD/vDIcccew2rPz/DZYQCWJ+pJW8IFesqex7XLXcsub3DFc0w6hvTqI/w= X-Received: by 2002:a25:591:0:b0:6f9:4e19:d50f with SMTP id 139-20020a250591000000b006f94e19d50fmr43456257ybf.186.1671413833554; Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:37:13 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7a8384d4-4213-b2df-df28-2b56a8b2d030@youngman.org.uk> <4206127f-0a76-4957-d6e1-11ab383ce205@users.sourceforge.net> <2969e3b8-eb12-1236-282f-5debea83439e@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Living in NGL: was: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: d8dd029a-7c69-4a74-ae3e-5f5daf83b3d3 X-Archives-Hash: 33426925d76d74d0e853291b6c1b7ea6 On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 4:53 PM Dale wrote: > > It took some digging around but I found out it is a AMD Phenom 9750 quad > core. You might want to hook a Kill-a-watt to that and see how much power it uses. Those older AMD processors were really inefficient. One thing I've come to appreciate with anything that runs 24x7 is to consider the energy bill to run things. That's why the bulk of my storage is running on ARM SBCs. Those things use almost no power when idle, while even a modern amd64 system will often use more at idle than an ARM will at full load. Most of the newer CPUs are MUCH better in performance per watt as well. A server that uses just 50W 24x7 costs about $65/yr (and I have pretty cheap electricity due to a 1yr contract - odds are it costs quite a bit more for most of this list). That's a fairly significant amount of money so it can pay to optimize things, especially if you replace what was a power-hungry performance CPU from 10 years ago with a lower-end CPU from today that probably has double the performance for 10% of the power draw. Obviously if you want bleeding edge the electricity bill won't cover the up-front costs, but lower end CPUs are very cost-effective and efficient compared to really old systems that people tend to use for these kinds of projects. -- Rich