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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:26:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_np_3pqusja9hbqVih1vQmodeOaPS3iagM0Zx34ViqEwA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8ca01aef-6df7-f4cb-7e37-5459a1009fbd@gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:09 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, -dev gets lively when someone steps on the toes of another dev but isn't that true about anywhere?  Gentoo is somewhat of a niche distro.

I've commented on this elsewhere, but I think these two are related.
With more mainstream binary distros a lot of differences of opinion
result in forks.  Gentoo is really the only significant source-based
distro out there, and we're basically minimally viable as it is, so
there isn't much room for forking.  As a result we're just forced to
work these sorts of issues out and come up with ways to coexist.

Look at how many binary distros there are that are nearly identical
except for their default desktop environment, or what they use for
PID1, or some details around their QA/stabilization policy.  A distro
like debian is big enough that if a bunch of people get ticked off
with a decision you can fork it into two distros and they're each 3x
as large as we are.  Do that 47 times and we end up with the situation
we have in the linux world today.

Certainly Gentoo hasn't be completely without forks, but very few have
persisted, because we tend to try to let our users have it their way.
So, if one user wants systemd-everything and another user wants to
stick *systemd* in their INSTALL_MASK they don't have to have two
different sets of devs independently maintaining every single other
package to accomodate that preference.  Sure, not every option is
equally well-supported, but that usually comes down to
interest/manpower and rarely reflects some kind of top-down policy
decision to forbid something.

-- 
Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-22  0:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-21 16:58 [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Consus
2020-04-21 17:11 ` Ashley Dixon
2020-04-22 12:28   ` Alessandro Barbieri
2020-04-21 18:10 ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-21 18:33   ` Consus
2020-04-21 18:41     ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-21 18:48       ` Consus
2020-04-21 18:51     ` Ralph Seichter
2020-04-21 19:00       ` Consus
2020-04-22  0:09         ` Dale
2020-04-22  0:26           ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2020-04-22  1:49             ` Dale
2020-04-22  2:22               ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-22  2:55                 ` Dale
2020-04-22  7:41                   ` John Covici
2020-04-22  8:15                     ` Dale
2020-04-22 12:15                       ` John Covici
2020-04-22 12:53                         ` Dale
2020-04-22 13:51                           ` John Covici
2020-04-22 15:04                             ` Dale
2020-04-22 15:20                               ` John Covici
2020-04-22 15:26                                 ` Jack
2020-04-22 15:58                                   ` John Covici
2020-04-22 16:03                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 17:14                                       ` Dale
2020-04-22 17:19                                       ` John Covici
2020-04-22 17:30                                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23  0:15                                           ` John Covici
2020-04-23  1:57                                             ` Dale
2020-04-22  7:42                   ` Philip Webb
2020-04-23 19:55               ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-24  1:22                 ` Dale
2020-04-21 19:10     ` Neil Bothwick
2020-04-22  8:06       ` Consus
2020-04-23 19:46     ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-21 18:47 ` Peter Humphrey
2020-04-21 19:01   ` Consus
2020-04-21 20:27     ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-21 20:51       ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo Tinderboxes? Michael Jones
2020-04-21 22:01         ` Gregory Rudolph
2020-04-21 22:36           ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22  9:46             ` Peter Humphrey
2020-04-22 10:17               ` J. Roeleveld
2020-04-22 11:20                 ` Neil Bothwick
2020-04-24 22:22                   ` jdm
2020-04-26 15:25                     ` Viktar Patotski
2020-04-22 14:35               ` Michael Jones
     [not found]                 ` <20200423152135.77bb9a0c.lembark@wrkhors.com>
2020-04-23 20:57                   ` Michael Jones
2020-04-21 23:05         ` Consus
2020-04-23 20:18         ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-22 15:22     ` [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 15:35       ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:07         ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 16:13           ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:14           ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 16:16             ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:31               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 16:32                 ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 16:48                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 17:03                     ` Michael Jones
2020-04-24 12:35                   ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 12:45                     ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-24 16:07                       ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 17:54                     ` Michele Alzetta
2020-04-24 17:56                       ` Michele Alzetta
2020-04-24 18:16                         ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 16:17             ` Alessandro Barbieri
2020-04-22 16:24               ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 16:28                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:31                   ` Michael Jones
2020-05-07  1:13                   ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  1:43                     ` Rich Freeman
2020-05-07  2:14                       ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  2:35                         ` Rich Freeman
2020-05-07  3:31                           ` Dale
2020-05-07  3:50                             ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  7:49                               ` Michael
2020-05-07  8:26                             ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " Neil Bothwick
2020-05-07 15:11                               ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:41                                 ` Michael
2020-05-07 18:13                                   ` Dale
2020-05-07  4:26                           ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 16:26               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 17:48                 ` Alessandro Barbieri
2020-04-22 18:08                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 18:19                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 18:24                       ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 18:33                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 19:15                           ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 19:19                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 19:22                               ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 19:24                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23  8:45                                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-24 21:07                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-24 22:30                                       ` lego12239
2020-04-23  8:31                                 ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-23  8:52                               ` lego12239
2020-04-23  8:59                                 ` Consus
2020-04-23  9:17                                   ` lego12239
2020-04-23  9:02                                 ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " Dale
2020-04-23  9:26                                   ` lego12239
2020-04-23  9:44                                     ` Dale
2020-04-23 10:34                                       ` lego12239
2020-04-23 10:55                                         ` Dale
2020-04-24 20:48                                       ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23 15:20                                     ` J. Roeleveld
2020-04-23 15:37                                       ` lego12239
2020-04-23  8:27                           ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 18:24                       ` Consus
2020-04-22 18:38                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 18:51                           ` Consus
2020-04-23  8:24                       ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 16:26               ` Jorge Almeida
2020-04-23 20:27             ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-24  9:22               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-24 13:34                 ` [gentoo-user] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " Grant Edwards
2020-04-24 18:05                   ` [gentoo-user] " lego12239
2020-04-24 18:46                     ` Grant Edwards
2020-04-24 21:19                       ` lego12239
2020-04-24 16:30                 ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] " inasprecali
2020-04-24 17:37                   ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 17:46                     ` Robert Bridge
2020-04-24 18:08                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-24 17:23                     ` Ashley Dixon
2020-04-25 16:37               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-25 18:28                 ` Ashley Dixon
2020-04-27 11:31             ` Kent Fredric
2020-04-27 15:57               ` lego12239
2020-04-28 15:33                 ` Kent Fredric
2020-04-28 16:56                   ` lego12239
2020-04-22 17:29         ` Dale
2020-04-22 17:34           ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 17:52             ` Dale
2020-04-23 18:14             ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-23 18:26               ` Michael Jones
2020-04-23 21:03               ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2020-04-23 23:55                 ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 21:23               ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-26 14:23                 ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-26 15:05                   ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23 20:10     ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-23 20:12       ` Consus
2020-04-22  8:58 ` Alexandru N. Barloiu
2020-04-22 14:29 ` Kent Fredric
2020-04-22 16:24 ` james
2020-04-25 18:04   ` Fernando Reyes
2020-04-25 18:30     ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  3:14 ` Pengcheng Xu
2020-05-07  3:39   ` Dale
2020-05-07  3:55     ` Pengcheng Xu
2020-05-07  5:23     ` Gerrit Kuehn
2020-05-07 14:21     ` hitachi303
2020-05-07 15:15       ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:19         ` Petr Vaněk
2020-05-07 15:23           ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:29             ` Petr Vaněk
2020-05-07 15:36               ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:04     ` james

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