From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93B413877A for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E841EE0AB3; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4F54E0A7D for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hy4so2652938vcb.20 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:32:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=W1NYDxGTJ/UEj80mMIBaiLCRKeUAlG570PipaipGd44=; b=w+ixcFH7uLp82KSFsAWb46CBWf4ydrRSdjWwKDpJUcBDDnM9gmLHECxL4b2bbRkrKD DbhLgn1qBNwRpmIfJa24Qb/7AzT1la0x0h4xWCjeNBhPKIXMDuxkBXatV3oexaEmojZV SZ2SMS+J1Z8EIZ8F0IQsAnqAoFwmSz+ih0yjgpMHfxcb8Vn1bpFaKcoQQddQx+1/+KCE tOpeSOrQZrsXCd7GMXirreVncg7XgGFQeKtkUJgnFie5pXT8694mH7m6Qr4//eYMwBCQ npgyrSEizGal+LvUS0WtlFjSmT16Bnh8i9TiwgUFVHbOmLxbY6WNTK/4Y/R2OStbBN7J QiKQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.167.2 with SMTP id o2mr9563093vcy.8.1403735539739; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.72.19 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:32:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53AB4A31.3030104@gmail.com> References: <53AA050F.4070907@gmail.com> <53AAF0CB.4060902@gmail.com> <20140625170952.3f3250c8@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <201406251745.06064.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20140625182940.5e6e4adf@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <53AB4A31.3030104@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:32:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: D5TlYfpDsDGZh_AicUvJYP3DCI8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60% From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 2500779f-7202-4730-937a-20b295e1a58a X-Archives-Hash: 315c884210a47ec512a40bd324f1c01f On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale wrote: > What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so > that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then > again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Keep in mind that RAID is more about speed of recovery and protects against the failure mode of total drive failure, which is a fairly common failure mode. A hard drive failure on a RAID involves no unplanned downtime, and a need for some short planned downtime to replace the drive. Backup protects against a lot more, but typically results in a recovery that takes hours, and when the drive goes you're down without warning. > > Most of that is recorded TV shows, movies etc. I also have some pics I > took with my camera that can't be replaced. Those I backup to DVDs > pretty regular. I use kbackup to tarball them and then burn them to > DVDs. It works. One set is outside the home in case of fire. The > biggest thing is some of those shows would be hard to get again plus the > effort to get them as well. So, stuff like photos I backup to the cloud, or to offsite media (generally I favor the cloud for active stuff, and offsite media for stuff I'm done with). Ditto for things like /etc, mysql, documents, email, and other small but important things. For stuff like MythTV recordings I used to just rely on RAID - recognizing that there was a very real possibility that I could lose them all. Now I also do a backup to a drive that is normally left unmounted, which isn't great, but since I moved to btrfs I wanted something on ext4 that had daily rsnapshots. Again, I'm willing to risk losing this stuff. Rich