From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0561139085 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 611742241DF; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x242.google.com (mail-qt0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 053DB2241BA for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x242.google.com with SMTP id n34so23594087qtb.3 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 08:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=wZxzY6fqdEYxDF8/ZuinE2RpGNOUoPmupofkLPiLzaE=; b=MlnJXjVijVrfjouii3iVmJunkgeDRMrv8UvVNQutuJGJzeE1dQY9WDxSWSTvaS/qFT Db94hofCCN35ikcVbbPi9Rl2D25SXQrlBKTjSGcHek5qXzKNPzoAJlV7O/SeCFOQqOA9 WOrV7aKNHYpPrvnEFpBBsfJK3bNmvhrNpedVuWsmOkdibbSu04Mvb0VVUCnRxLiwm7yK m+VxESDHFbtlU05dy+eIaqp+KSjgUXsFyuOam1KDwXKgOUCiOk6jno+2wjiiwTddkz40 KXQFayp/4GlaL7FnjCGSxRwhl6yQVwcv/UhcOHLvMJ8FtQqnzEx6vl4IHDuXSTpsjEfE 6Pww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wZxzY6fqdEYxDF8/ZuinE2RpGNOUoPmupofkLPiLzaE=; b=UOV6TOlNBWUn9X1UEfaLRIndOsrFXWm9LnEy/kwnnJi3WcXeY2QiOz8M7jfC1/JknI /rKOncaz0mcjeaDbi9FpCz6LD7GbiTkeHE7b6UP0uCJ2Rtq+nk+NUeOqWEPKO2jFJB98 ivEAJcrgwIe+eM5RVmtZEBbqtjbwyAa/hT9PkunbUJiFaXa1BuanHgUjytd5mWkRj2e6 1PM2MDLnhqjw53eaNO2kD9/0k39ctkPuKeBIpgkGrFFo23RoiLNQ1579Ii0MFoZaTF18 FA2dfwUgbof3d/5UE145OLpHqNo4q6/eG3Ac/kAHX8nQow7kjfOIEGKZK0gitZSMEL/J fR5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXItagIgAUS5efo3wwacjl64Plo+DvAdQLqacOc4mBKVx7z5Ooq8BJGBaprKVtxgLrXjxAz+Kf4fFOxZ6g== X-Received: by 10.237.53.253 with SMTP id d58mr259253qte.29.1482252426886; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 08:47:06 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.34.73 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 08:47:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <31e5a0f5-ffc3-0b6f-3bb4-1685d1efe876@andrejro.de> <1539590.2abgqJ6fBz@thetick> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:47:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7jv-006QvmzFRvRFm9o0jQs73FQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 8039711a-9d12-4816-b365-be01cfc6184a X-Archives-Hash: 77c0277839cf86466ebc6bba0bb5c159 On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 19.12.2016 um 15:52 schrieb Marc Joliet: >> That is incorrect, systemd allows for overriding files in >> /etc/systemd/system/${unit_name}.d/*.conf. > > Then this is very new. > They've been supported for quite a while (Mar 2013): https://lwn.net/Articles/542609/ Before then the most straightforward solution was to override the entire unit, which was hardly difficult. There is a systemd utility for helping you see what files might be able to removed from /etc in favor of distro-supplied ones as they become available. >> Furthermore, service units can >> read environment variables from a file via EnvironmentFile. > > Initscripts can do the same. Obviously. The claim was made that systemd units can't take configuration from an outside file and had to be directly modified. The point was just that this was incorrect. > >> I'm not convinced that you actually understand systemd particularly well. It >> seems to me that if you want to develop an informed opinion about it, you >> should: > > You don't need to be convinced. It's sufficient that I know systemd > pretty well from the beginning when the Poettering fanboys of Arch Linux > forced this crap onto the Arch Linux users, while they regularly were > telling that they don't force it onto their users, that it will be only > optional. Clearly nobody forced you to run it, because you aren't running it now. And if you wanted to run openrc on Arch you certainly could. Nobody will help you do it, but it certainly can be done. I'm not sure what the point of that would be, since the whole point of a distribution is to share the workload of doing stuff like that with people who are like-minded, and since you clearly disagree with the Arch developers on this issue then it probably makes more sense to do your own thing. The beauty of FOSS is that you have the source, so you can make it into whatever you want to be. How do you think we got openrc working on Gentoo in the first place? Nobody is going to waste their time trying to convince you that systemd is better than anything else, because in the end your opinion doesn't actually affect us. People who prefer systemd will maintain it, and people who prefer openrc will maintain that, and we can all be happy. -- Rich