From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88962139085 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D9B4E0D60; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-x241.google.com (mail-qk0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEAF4E0D56 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-x241.google.com with SMTP id t184so8656591qkd.1 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:53:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=vUo+/iiIOnAwLgfmN1Za1ZiR2lR66P7UfcQm3l9WsIA=; b=eBOpLSpoNYptTqsIzGNQa97etR9biQ2Mh2DJmvJLf2/GJolsazFPWPu9j+szj8jng2 2nmo/xvEjho+WT+mOIo7Cy/camkD40W0CvBRRjWG60Ld78H/lKM88LqM8c0Cc0aUWdNM Aot2kEJxRJNLzdLQkUU61SR8nSWVIhhxFv3Tdu8/NFZSHrKFagCY9RQ+gpadnHIX1T9C kovGTWcI7ixyQOuh4G5q6oXJWA56nAT45GEb6zcN6UO0i2pdKT+sfsm3lPVf/OCHfGQo RYlD/LpdMrHZnI0IV3NYHsa5a6kGqrIqwpAoXdQl4pUm2oBV+Mn0PxBZCVY0ggmACo+y AZ3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vUo+/iiIOnAwLgfmN1Za1ZiR2lR66P7UfcQm3l9WsIA=; b=co2w0eOaEVqKI5Ay1lddeEnCFDKlWaDSGyItuB/5O/myGpTddWqIfPZqdVxTK5n0JV IiquYfY59uE+3A3krszrjDLcH5mMFkxEMD0rQMbDNE8Fe0LbT+8vNST4NGstCGWexugn ST1RgZbBO78xbkid4eq16yOxqgJUu9IikGNuaMtwngomNsR9JD54vwZ6qDh1xVZVCOkf 0NGUwVSAaFutFXxsWXtwuq6xvGH+xK1L8WzoYA7wi66nM19hYQK+q8YN7glnwXMIeGC5 QA9GsdJ/fW4eWISiHhc+sOZhtVZAH7o+BjwhqwGTjBgds/Vh+hc7h+By80/22vOJp2lm nljg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIsNx2XBF4bZmw3y8NBuZ+V425x11Dh2zSY/V6ZBDHH92Y9HiYDBrrjt8iWWtLjuZ44kOf94+4j9u0Gsw== X-Received: by 10.233.239.194 with SMTP id d185mr5077171qkg.122.1482324831757; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:53:51 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.34.73 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:53:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8ceb1f71-e8c3-d7ec-9d0e-6025baa0a296@gentoo.org> References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <31e5a0f5-ffc3-0b6f-3bb4-1685d1efe876@andrejro.de> <1539590.2abgqJ6fBz@thetick> <20161220225155.GA6010@acm.fritz.box> <8ceb1f71-e8c3-d7ec-9d0e-6025baa0a296@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:53:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fT2yL_PJId62NCgufxBxgEtR78M Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 806591f4-4caa-4f83-a766-71d6d9a2de39 X-Archives-Hash: 3fef3c362eb2b0ee3c1e76956c736555 On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 12/20/2016 06:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> We don't have some >> committee on high pick a winner and tell all the maintainers that they >> all have to move from supporting x to supporting y. > > Fair points across the board but this stood out to me. We *do* have > groups that, on some subset of the tree, exert what they feel to be > winners. QA, the KDE team, and GNOME team have all made formal > recommendations or requirements that they expect to see in ebuilds going > forward. QA is blessed by council of course, so they have a bit more > sway. But we're lying if we say we don't have committees making > decisions on packaging guidelines. > > That's not the same as choosing a single package and telling every one > to scram, but we're not hands-off, either. > Anybody wishing to add stuff to the main repository does not get a choice in following QA policy (though these matters can be appealed to the Council). However, their policies for the most part are fairly sensible and concern stuff like listing things as a dependency if you link to them and so on. KDE and GNOME developers work as a team, but these teams do not have any exclusive control over anything in the tree. If a Gentoo developer doesn't like what they've done with kmail they can add a kmail2 or kmail-rich0 or whatever that works they way they want it to. Heck, if a bunch of devs wanted to do their own thing they could start a kde-improved team if they wanted to. In general this doesn't happen, because the developers interested in maintaining these packages tend to agree on how they want to maintain them, or at least they don't care enough to bother with forking them. How do you think we ended up with eudev? -- Rich