From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BF5138CC5 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 11:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68E9FE0968; Mon, 4 May 2015 11:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D281E0955 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 11:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iedfl3 with SMTP id fl3so143973416ied.1 for ; Mon, 04 May 2015 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=l5AWdecxIzbyeELufqa0uFWF7m/pAQpDr4NoCnYxWYo=; b=C2vl0V2wNiK4lTVrwKrYR5OednYtlL54jX5Akmcge96L4tMXk1u4w7JQug14+rV6zq ntxPY93uN8UWlIKeCvRc7qvGS0syTlFwqvPx7wg8iUAfVYlgmgyXW4HF5Veu9wZMbY4j 7to6+DZpvfizrWxER+M3F2Wuui6ibyJuU7rB4UYGPvE1N5l9+SyfcuyeWssylxGJd/Xe eA2h/8DYDwL/01pQRgNg67vhklYDlXrHo9ezgBD0QtJmGZuVv3Fmfp66crJqhtWXM97l qLnWp3Rxs/BBkEpRJzlKNaGibMmzPVhhObFnym1iOJquzVJDpkisrWr7ZKJFPOSJxnHg 6xJQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.81.201 with SMTP id a9mr2626458icl.9.1430739313638; Mon, 04 May 2015 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.48.66 with HTTP; Mon, 4 May 2015 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150504113149.0f61d4f9@digimed.co.uk> References: <553F474E.4040101@gmail.com> <553FA0DD.1090101@gmail.com> <20150428162448.160e1683@digimed.co.uk> <55407695.7000808@gmail.com> <20150429085217.38864030@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <5547221E.4020809@gmail.com> <20150504084626.26fbbbd8@digimed.co.uk> <55472C94.1080606@gmail.com> <20150504113149.0f61d4f9@digimed.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 07:35:13 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QyMccQ0YqC1RogtTbOh7PgtYHCE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive storage questions From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 90fd3ccc-c491-41b4-b350-9c290be43938 X-Archives-Hash: f16ce3f1da6aa729b4ff7ad8bfb4579d On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 04 May 2015 03:23:48 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> >> What >> >> I wish, I had a second puter in a outbuilding that I could copy to >> >> over ethernet or something. May help in the event of a house fire >> >> etc. >> > >> > You have, it's called Amazon S3 :) It's a lot cheaper than a second >> > computer, and a lot more reliable. > >> My internet is way to slow for that. It would take weeks maybe a month >> to upload all this stuff. I have DSL but it is the basic package. If I >> were on cable or had a real fast DSL, maybe. Thing is, I really don't >> want some of my stuff on the internet anyway. ;-) > > You only need to upload it once, so it doesn't really matter how long it > takes. After that you do incremental backups. I use app-backup/duplicity > which not only takes care of incremental backups and communicating with > S3, but also encrypts everything with GPG. No one would know you were > uploading goat porn :) I tend to use a few strategies. Typical stuff in /home, /etc: duplicity daily backups to S3. It is small, and safe. Oh, and it is all on RAID too, which reduces the risk of needing to actually restore it (RAID is primarily about downtime, not backup). Encryption keys are burned to multiple CDs and stored in multiple safe places. Photos and other valuable media: Also gets the duplicity S3 treatment, but after every few GB I do a one-time upload to Glacier and then remove it from my daily backups. This stuff is write-once, so backing it up daily is overkill. When S3 was more expensive I would burn two copies to DVD and store offsite, but that became a PITA and Amazon is a lot cheaper now. If I ever need to restore it it is unlikely I'd need it all at once, so I can do so slowly and not get killed by fees. MythTV recordings, random video from internet, etc: btrfs raid plus a second daily rsync to ext4 (still local). The rsync is only because I'm still in playing-around mode with btrfs. Once I trust it fully I'll drop it and just rely on the RAID. I'd be annoyed if I lost all this stuff, but only for a week or two. Trying to properly back up multiple TB of media is just way too expensive and this stuff just isn't valuable enough to care about. I structure my filesystem around my backup strategy. All the stuff I really care about is in /home. Stuff I don't care so much about goes outside of /home and is symlinked back in where necessary. So, I don't need to play around with too many exclusion rules. -- Rich