From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8301513877A for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4770CE0B03; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F8BE0876 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id lf12so2262437vcb.4 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:44:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=rws6N8WMwKWsYzF64S8RTwqYDPF1DnK/J9wk01oL0bs=; b=LTnb8hSVGcBWPefYtsz4vUXrl7Bh6h6WNBzxSeCzvgM179eMTQFUyvsci1cisjrfNz tprRphSO6XAYt7Xiqg9papEZ1d/2SWyrIjfvb1jG/9WCREQ+o+ze0fdPRjGTfqLD6bte YcANBrjuNmjuxM9NhrNCvNafxlpamBlnrqAJMMMLMzuVgTJr/sb5DplsT6YZ3NXUPu3z +Cj+Nkapl0I8GnseYKOQ/Lmlv2jPmuSop+MF+gb5r2fYXOL4l91Yi2w4QDWy8WnXmdd/ Zy5xd4/7jcLlG2pdwgblUvoQwoa1fe8nDRLLpDhiNeJjwCpuhaVAdTjM0crFZ/z1pCl0 B1Qg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.53.7.204 with SMTP id de12mr4829900vdd.41.1403718263957; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.30.227 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53AB03C3.9000601@googlemail.com> References: <53AA050F.4070907@gmail.com> <49620f42-d9c3-43b1-9f01-1250e52eb950@email.android.com> <53AA587F.8090300@gmail.com> <53AA7D11.6070909@thegeezer.net> <53AA7EF5.2000903@gmail.com> <53AAFEEE.7020508@googlemail.com> <53AB03C3.9000601@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:44:23 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ld-sAlL7e2vghvFo3YyuwtaeXtw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60% From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 0d6542dc-5acf-4631-89b7-a4d80d7bead2 X-Archives-Hash: 736902a9d2bc0f9bf9b63bd36dd606b1 On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman: >> Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant >> setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've >> only run desktop hard drives on my 24x7 RAID. If they die I replace >> them under warranty > so you are ripping of other customers? > I certainly am not aware of any warranty terms I'm violating. I just spot checked a drive warranty and it makes no mention of excluding continuous use, and the drive specifications do not contain any exclusions for continuous use. The SMART data in the drives I've returned contains both the number of power cycles and power-on time, and I've yet to have a manufacturer question either. To exclude continuous operation their warranty would have to specify just how many hours per day their drives can be operated for. > >> ANY hard drive can fail the day >> after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though >> obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point >> in time may vary by what you pay for it. > > or if it was meant to be used the way you use it. Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Rich