From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C2E1384C0 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF41014326; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f172.google.com (mail-ig0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8CD61422E for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igboj15 with SMTP id oj15so8967632igb.1 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=SiAx6nl2vVipdq+cJ78jVWaLbGpUT1WIEcEJmyaE3g4=; b=bg56yoE9xqO7QpYOD0qSsZ2dJ21NJicLO2n1XUhA+aQy9Of1cQoYsN1TVWU03k4aNM SVGUH6f+JMp0jLKKRtCIjdof6nsL6Rtj2pi1sSvtCG2D5sYaR+AzR+migKnidDruLYcU qGxHbKtoEuq5a8llBtAE/Gp0GIMOtgL2Pm7+ucLl2BoU2dHICMmIpOIRm/0qdv7i5zdd 3wPneoB30FcOWppdsR4YiwJar+IrlDmZAKECVZmFZIPDJI6KkxBQ4x7jQzqUvIJtace9 iVHPI0VC22vqRmu0DPP2FjqKr7rFePRU7V9hr+xBsy9JozmRQszXlniRZ8xCcECsNOnB 5JJA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.67.3 with SMTP id j3mr8025924igt.70.1440950610245; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.103.70 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55E32748.6040603@gmail.com> References: <20150830040443.GA1081@ca.inter.net> <55E303F0.5010709@comcast.net> <55E32038.1080204@gmail.com> <55E32748.6040603@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:03:30 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p5oNVmjzy1fR--pvZA3dCwKjDVI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: e7cf786b-973e-4205-9ef1-0baf299a1228 X-Archives-Hash: a91051f3eedb0561f0bc2e69bdff7665 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Technically, we should do a power down test every 6 months or so, but > that turns out not to be a yes/no test in real life; it's a yes/destroy > test and no-one wants to make a decision either way. So we all sit in > limbo and wait for some exterior event to decide for us (like black-outs) > Half the time these are ancient services that have long been replaced but nobody can bring themselves to make the call to get rid of the old servers. Maybe there were 10M records in the database and 9.998M of them were migrated to a new database, but due to some issue the rest couldn't be, so the old server stays up just in case anybody ever needs the old data, and so on. Typically these would just stick around until finally some hardware component fails, and then it gets written off. Sadly, this course of forcing hands seems to be going away. At work somebody tried to hand me an ancient system to look after in my spare time. Apparently they just finished virtualizing it. Go figure - they have VAX VMs available for Linux these days. The problem is that KT and maintaining documentation and not being the person who gets the finger pointed at when something goes wrong costs the company time and money, and in this case for almost zero value. Usually the problems with technology aren't technical in nature... -- Rich