From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9069B1381FA for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 11:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63328E0A6D; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 11:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38839E09AB for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 11:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n12so674530wgh.7 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=1EIZG63WzwEfLNqmzTmJUSFt5tiOsEF26MBLqtu/Vxw=; b=WfzoCSJV8oU28G9s1g2c0FzuExzq1jsHqc2hZB4WqIL+9C3yGYjbnMSsq4FtPclqxC Cbbx0qK1lmfihDtmhY2dHG6MJhLliVK5w1rW2Po4MwlqpCTG5ek7hrWdJ2fuPjCqJinC IUdmuMjKQZ3LtAN9XnuOLqDLfpDl2LxM4QnOAjxfClrXXCAtrbpBNbQCu5Jv2vzn1c8P nynT+K2eSgwUQjeLj320OdEFnjULzg4lCzxIWPThtivB1cy3Nz9Fmg60W35pDwTIKdbf pZW3+xLBA9uxLc+6chZu3BxhxB1AAtmUnpuDlhotOV47oA83nfZy7pRUq6gays6mbkBV NRMA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.189.116 with SMTP id gh20mr80528198wjc.41.1401966679784; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.32.132 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53900F89.7000702@gmail.com> References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> <538E783F.3040208@gmail.com> <538EF4CA.3070805@gmail.com> <53900F89.7000702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:11:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pDCb8riYMVKpAPAds0Mv8k5vf9s Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 1193e502-75cb-4d3f-9c50-b939d5427622 X-Archives-Hash: 041da56c1d766cdf30b500f5ce371dbb On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Greg Woodbury wrote: > Unfortunately, the advocates and implementers made some major political > choices when they (apparently deliberately) chose to put the systemd > stuff in /usr/lib instead of /lib. It was pointed out that this > abrogated certain parts of the FHS, forced those who would like to adopt > it to *not* being able to continue using their machines they way they > wished to (I.e. they had to choose between several potentially major > changes to do so -- don't have a separate /usr or be forced to use a > kernel initrd/initramfs method in order to do so.) My understanding is that the systemd developers intend for systemd to not be installed in /usr unless /lib and so on are symlinks to their counterparts in /usr (ie the /usr-merge is completed). That has been the subject of some debate for Gentoo. I think the reason so much stuff is migrating to /usr is the sense that keeping things split up is becoming more hassle than it is worth due to all the vertical integration. If you have a bluetooth keyboard then you're going to be hard-pressed to use your system without /usr mounted. That is the standard example, but the sense is that this is the way the wind is blowing. Virtually every distro out there uses an initramfs anyway - we're a bit of an aberration in that it seems that using an initramfs is rare among Gentoo users. Just look at an initramfs as the new root filesystem. There really isn't anything you could do with a shell without /usr mounted that you can't do with a shell in an initramfs. Rich