From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39C55158041 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2024 11:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0B5DE2A47; Sat, 13 Apr 2024 11:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-f177.google.com (mail-lj1-f177.google.com [209.85.208.177]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 837DCE2A2A for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2024 11:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f177.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d886f17740so29651741fa.1 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2024 04:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1713008713; x=1713613513; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6x/XaGeyLAIUg1Zuso7s/fvRvz4wwmbSH+1zFAYkpZk=; b=DSkO/nPhZcNgTy91v9Jie/ORg/pV+Lt4HtZFlcNBvKrUZd6RB0+wxN2HzfVNNv5cHJ q0RzIJmOhhJjkam/jiiqHO2TYnRdCuPfsTDJkiMFaIRfderPl2eNM8yzOKEVEBVK7PEi 1yJ7XBHKHEin0NN6qt34pKT5QjVDwANPdyrm7vBaq71GoaARKYJKRkQfoP7sAmebHGiP LK9rymvGaaJ4L1meJqpbkz88cTmm9A3MwrW15Yot6yvwVkcsD5GAl27NjV5ELi5sqKPu Pv/o9Ven6fNYz7ueL6/D4VWqXkWwb5Ly2dSfVNjeRPoy/CNUb1uKKEas5rMMRLa/vvzG 86dw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwxOBxWiRDR0UZCzp7C2AjOh7zeqYW4Q/8v9nArP7atHetG1Qsk jmymh6AOzFQSmzc9tbDf6PAMKhlaPm9/0h7ZeIz5c809zHDIh7P6pzIe0Tbxj9z3nBfLLAwBob9 XFbzrDYnsEDSRuME98H5JHu1N8zYuyuIa X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGrN6nQ471A8xWHmJ3Fx+hl8GhaTuQV7kU8YxdJvoXigwHMWVn+Ldal8xo8Avo50XGbM1P3pbaSrk+tbJb31HA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:844f:0:b0:2d9:fb62:566c with SMTP id u15-20020a2e844f000000b002d9fb62566cmr1378598ljh.17.1713008713099; Sat, 13 Apr 2024 04:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6b0daec6-7cb1-4690-7f1f-26de6d38b2b2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6b0daec6-7cb1-4690-7f1f-26de6d38b2b2@gmail.com> From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2024 07:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8168189b-02e5-48fe-9b01-253d04586c1b X-Archives-Hash: bed9adbf1b1f21e1a61a291edc150173 On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 3:58=E2=80=AFAM Dale wrote: > > Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for > the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at > that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. > Anyone know something I don't that would make switching to the FX-6300 a > bad idea? The most obvious issue is that you're putting money into a very obsolete sy= stem. Obviously hardware of this generation is fairly cheap, but it isn't actually the best bang for the buck, ESPECIALLY when you factor in power use. Like most AMD chips of that generation (well, most chips in general when you get that old), that CPU uses quite a bit of power at idle, and so that chip which might cost you $35 even at retail might cost you double that amount per year just in electricity. If your goal is to go cheap you also need to consider alternatives. You can get used hardware from various places, and most of it is 3-5 years old. Even commodity hardware of that age is far more powerful than a 15 year old CPU socket and often it starts at $100 or so - and that is for a complete system. Often you can get stuff that is ex-corporate that has a fair bit of RAM as well, since a lot of companies need to deal with compatibility with office productivity software that might be a little RAM hungry. RAM isn't cheap these days, and they practically give it away when they dispose of old hardware. The biggest issue you're going to have with NAS is finding something with the desired number of drive bays, as a lot of used desktop hardware is SFF (but also super-low-power, which is something companies consider in their purchasing decisions when picking something they're going to be buying thousands of). Right now most of my storage is on Ceph on SFF PCs. I do want to try to get future expansion onto NVMe but even used systems that support much of that are kinda expensive still (mostly servers since desktop CPUs have so few PCIe lanes, and switches aren't that common). One of my constraints using Ceph though is I need a lot of RAM, which is part of why I'm going the SFF route - for $100 you can get one with 32GB of RAM and 2-3 SATA ports, plus USB3 and an unused 4-16x PCIe slot. That is a lot of RAM/IO compared to most options at that price point (ARM in particular tends to lack both - not that it doesn't support it, but rather nobody makes cheap ARM hardware with PCIe+DIMM slots). --=20 Rich