From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 651501396D9 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 360412BC132; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg0-x229.google.com (mail-pg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0E682BC0E4 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg0-x229.google.com with SMTP id 15so12697264pgc.12 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:04:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=Vr9zZyxldy3yGZq+UyboNTk26TCiMfwOm5LSF6F/JCc=; b=RCWxhOBt/Bbx13YOtyIctyEIWvstHv7vOgZPWUnVaqTxl1UPSjZ8hQ04c0Nv3ZleaT Vl0jKFBdX/bV1XdSQaYyol2DUNk/CUU7e0GgCkhyZiok5tv4Dbf2lUJdBxIMwEpIQocI ki2ERWIeBdp4H1IGNRJyH35Wn+Rxf1ihoDUPTChNoDG0m96n2+oHo8dnzrReJHhcj7xd Gtgym5au1QQqX6fVmrS28DUkU7wlHNl4Vm8L65J5mxZ/M8/klKpKv1dLMURWcMLrIcNo VLEY43ZUXFbdD/GM636Ul2M4bNjTgib4i+rMfdigwc/f13njhoyBTLSIv7ZWFfeEiaLe S4pQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Vr9zZyxldy3yGZq+UyboNTk26TCiMfwOm5LSF6F/JCc=; b=fWGL6NkGcRCs5X4cdBsPSj3MBOKvZIRS6PujnMc0QKj6PxKXjMvMKUZqzJ9G3wyLtY ZNJVYfkPGTLNaso/ttbWkWMJutUh/NxbhlXAamoVspmDLYedypqjmRTumQJ0I787IS62 Wgtq9M3Bj9WfOu3S8/jWH36Bd2YT0PZeCQN85rjUIpa0DvJomz/VfTX7/PnkoA5PxsVf Q0ni8iNeBcmhRtRxDTguUGUbLBpxg4znBeNrsGiXJ+/61b2N+xXcDkCREABVUz9tH+G7 jH0wwHHNn37/6xpgFlydJT2nNsibS1f/0Tt5yzgjHFFvTIrgwwzsRaC1JiLQn4dhXtuI EDxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUoTwJV9IC/w+eGa2FiDxiPSysNLwDYmWHvAaNgfp5G+iSUNGvJ hCPIPCK8lyCn49VV7h8dv9kcA7UZxo9+cVeU3SKgDQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QhQYTz868CjWhdgcvyFM0TLGu1niL77mdqmtdHgf/HbxNRdiPu1y9PDbJbXvmKK+07vHP7HXPV2JQ/MwDShJ0= X-Received: by 10.99.96.7 with SMTP id u7mr8661636pgb.183.1509397441002; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.155.67 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:04:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6d7133e2-942a-6977-dfa8-67bc1d13085d@gmail.com> References: <1922379.ZbMImBqxyj@dell_xps> <20a51a10-2c3b-bbcf-ab4e-98f8d2676fe5@gmail.com> <19e3d78e-b284-94f8-1a16-c43b1a478193@gmail.com> <1565551.YJXxyvGCCV@dell_xps> <27a82600-717b-0076-cb75-29e67a7f4ed1@gmail.com> <59F62591.2070003@youngman.org.uk> <924d1b49-16ef-52ce-57c2-5f6e838cbf8d@gmail.com> <20171030091007.03b2076d@peak.prhnet> <6d7133e2-942a-6977-dfa8-67bc1d13085d@gmail.com> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:04:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1wATtelt0eXQZn4Z_yLy7OcIPdA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Alternatives to knutclient To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 1dde55e2-dd3d-4939-8a32-39c98aedee36 X-Archives-Hash: 48ef782b27541c83e7ac65076d35a7b4 On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dale wrote: > > have we profited on today'. However, when a company is public, stocks > and such, then it is about what have we made today with no one caring > about years from now. After all, the people owning the stocks may not > even own them next week. > Nor should they be concerned with the long-term. This should be the role of the regulator. If the regulator wants spare capacity, then they should take bids for companies to have spare capacity available and they get paid to just sit on their excess capacity. If the regulator wants more redundancy in the transmission network then they should set specifications for what is desired and take bids from those able to build it out. If the regulator wants everything to be replaced within a certified lifetime based on testing then they should specify this, and take bids from those willing to maintain the grid to this standard. The problem is that the general public does not see the value in infrastructure, so they don't think about it when they're voting. Instead they vote based on whatever fringe issues the politicians want them to focus on instead. If a company is going to get paid the same whether they build for extra reliability or not, they're going to opt not to. Not only does this give them more profits, but it makes their bids more competitive vs some other company that would just undercut them for "over-providing." Lax regulation just punishes conscientious market participants. -- Rich