From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FC5A158089 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89C212BC0A8; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qv1-f41.google.com (mail-qv1-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 503E32BC0A3 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qv1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-66d4453ba38so24400966d6.0 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697639157; x=1698243957; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=woUDTz3ZDmYdTNpRBYj6boJv2tAhHvQK/GC93XrwRnE=; b=XFwo7Xnsn7K607fu31t4hdqJAdt8kZkrdU8K3vgLV0+Ie1BBgg+5nqKZzcF00F+t5t SMn60W1guulrims2xvefVkhCPj6MwrBEgP8q+FWRXKmAe0F8DCpkrgVAsxtXQ82N0qMP ub6YnHNmevIUhJjh1ZG9W+iuITYmHMTafn5g06Bm4eky10NzGZ6X3jKiKjBqpCIVlWl5 90K3YiRlCb/t06gnjfpxQ5BGpr0Uav7yd1sGez+2KTCVcnEKon2iNL1Y90Q0bNNtv10G ayC5ueToeBIXSQjX7L4BEn3agGmGgChPcBHMUFMIRy6ngphHhqUEjQRLUqG3VY7Bzw/W Q1PA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy2xmXisfk8z9m5Dpj58Lsae8JH6d1OUXoDvCrTsQS2SAoAUwt7 8Lc8d6n8+qXA57s6N9i8kAlFRolpLfJzNRTcrpiOkfIy+Ww= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEMshQL8rV9w2rfW2ZzLHbrxgn9Sj/Z7wCkoqYt7aCOqloN4c4zqEDy6URpTsD3ILLASNxl3bIEUs13yH3zq4o= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5be5:0:b0:656:1858:a178 with SMTP id k5-20020ad45be5000000b006561858a178mr6506280qvc.9.1697639157433; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <17dbcf2a-13c7-b8c0-69f1-a09e5288cfd5@gmail.com> <1547976b-10a8-ba30-0559-348db4727011@gmail.com> <13371341.uLZWGnKmhe@rogueboard> <4b498c6d-7311-6645-ec34-009ea9c154b4@gmail.com> <02eb1de7-36e0-beaa-66f2-5eb6041b5451@gmail.com> <20231017082317.25633757@digimed.co.uk> <88840616-57fb-5862-e512-7dec7b32a00f@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 10:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OFF TOPIC Need Ubuntu network help To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b0d987dc-9d70-48b5-a20f-9a3877766184 X-Archives-Hash: 55f4d64b2d267a73914787b3bbfbee72 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:15=E2=80=AFPM Grant Edwards wrote: > > For example, if one > of the links is down, Ubuntu is really fond of waiting a couple > mintues for it to come up before it finishes booting. [If it doesn't > wait for all the network interfaces, how is it going to do all that > cloudy crap nobody really wants?] I think the intent is to prevent dependency issues, though IMO that would be better avoided by just setting dependencies on the systemd units. However, many distros try to abstract systemd behind a wall of distro configuration in part because they wanted to the original transition to systemd to be seamless. I have a bunch of ubuntu hosts that have dual NICs and they just love to take forever to boot. This is despite having only one entry in /etc/netplan and having it have "optional: true" set. networkctl shows one interface as "configuring" even after the system is up for days. Hmm, might even be a systemd-networkd bug. I see ubuntu created /run/systemd/network/10-netplan-alleths.network and it contains "RequiredForOnline=3Dno". Oh well, I rarely reboot so it just hasn't been on the top of my list of things to fix. Honestly, I'd prefer if it just let me configure networkd directly. I'm sure there is some way to do that, but I feel like if I do then I'll have to read the release notes every time there is a new release to make sure it isn't going to break it. If you're going to run a distro like Ubuntu I've found it is generally best to just figure out the "Ubuntu Way" and do it their way. If that isn't adequate, the easier solution is to just use a more appropriate distro. --=20 Rich