[gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[thelma]

Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk so decided to
time how fast  GnuCash will load my accounting, her it is:

Box 1.)
WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.

Box 2.)
Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.

Box 3.)
M.2 SSD, CPU AMD Ryzen 7,  32Gib
Time to open GnuCash -  2.5sec

-- 
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[thelma]

Typo: it should be:
Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast the M.2 disk is, so I
decided to
test how fast GnuCash loads my accounting; here it is:

On 12/01/2020 02:46 PM, thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk so decided to
> time how fast  GnuCash will load my accounting, her it is:
> 
> Box 1.)
> WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
> Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.
> 
> Box 2.)
> Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
> Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.
> 
> Box 3.)
> M.2 SSD, CPU AMD Ryzen 7,  32Gib
> Time to open GnuCash -  2.5sec
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[bobwxc]

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> ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------
> 发 件 人：thelma@sys-concept.com
> 发送时间：2020-12-02 05:46:56
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> 抄 送：
> 主 题：[gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD
>
> Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk so decided to
> time how fast GnuCash will load my accounting, her it is:
>
> Box 1.)
> WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
> Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.
>
> Box 2.)
> Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
> Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.
>
> Box 3.)
> M.2 SSD, CPU AMD Ryzen 7, 32Gib
> Time to open GnuCash - 2.5sec
>
> --
> Thelma
>
>

SATA Revision 3.0  --  6Gbps
NVMe  --  PCI-E3.0*4  --  7.877 Gbps*4




NVMe  is  much  faster  than  AHCI




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Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[thelma]

On 12/01/2020 08:41 PM, bobwxc wrote:
>> ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------
>> 发 件 人：thelma@sys-concept.com
>> 发送时间：2020-12-02 05:46:56
>> 收 件 人："Gentoo mailing list" <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
>> 抄 送：
>> 主 题：[gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD
>>
>> Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk is, so decided to
>> time how fast GnuCash will load my accounting, here it is:
>>
>> Box 1.)
>> WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
>> Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.
>>
>> Box 2.)
>> Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
>> Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.
>>
>> Box 3.)
>> M.2 SSD, CPU AMD Ryzen 7, 32Gib
>> Time to open GnuCash - 2.5sec

> SATA Revision 3.0  --  6Gbps
> NVMe  --  PCI-E3.0*4  --  7.877 Gbps*4
> 
> 
> 
> 
> NVMe  is  much  faster  than  AHCI

This is nvme Force MP600 (SSD Interface. PCIe Gen 4.0 x4)
SSD Max Sequential Read CDM. Up to 4,950MB/s.
SSD Max Sequential Write CDM. Up to 4,250MB/s.

Vs.
Samsung SSD 850 evo
sequential write speeds up to 520 MB/s
sequential read speeds up to 540 MB/s

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 02:46:56PM -0700 schrieb thelma@sys-concept.com:
> Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk so decided to
> time how fast  GnuCash will load my accounting, her it is:
> 
> Box 1.)
> WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
> Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.
> 
> Box 2.)
> Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
> Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.

I can hardly believe that. Does your duration include the entire boot
process? If so, the times look quite alright, but that’s not what
description says.

Can you reproduce the same time when you close and then open gnucash a
second time? (By then all files should be in cache and startup should be
significantly faster if indeed the drive is responsible).

> Box 3.)
> M.2 SSD, CPU AMD Ryzen 7,  32Gib
> Time to open GnuCash -  2.5sec

If you indeed do include boot times, then I find this too fast. But if it
does, then not bad. *whistle*

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Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[Rich Freeman]

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:33 PM Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Am Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 02:46:56PM -0700 schrieb thelma@sys-concept.com:
> > Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk so decided to
> > time how fast  GnuCash will load my accounting, her it is:
> >
> > Box 1.)
> > WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
> > Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.
> >
> > Box 2.)
> > Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
> > Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.
>
> I can hardly believe that. Does your duration include the entire boot
> process? If so, the times look quite alright, but that’s not what
> description says.
>

Keep in mind these are different hosts, probably running different
software with different workloads/optimizations, with different CPUs,
differing amounts of RAM, and different storage technologies.

It isn't particularly controversial to suppose that M.2 (NVMe) is
going to be faster than SATA-based SSD, which is going to be faster
than spinning disks.

When you want to get to the exact differences you need to test on
configurations that are otherwise identical, and also account for
stuff like caching.

Note also that M.2 is a form-factor, and you can find SATA-based M.2
drives which aren't going to perform any better than any other
SATA-based drive.  Also, since NVMe is far more capable than SATA/AHCI
it matters even more exactly what NVMe drive you're talking about.
The storage device itself, and the PCIe version can make a difference,
and of course you need a CPU/MB that can actually take advantage of
the drive's full capability.

You might not need the max performance NVMe is capable of, but it is
something you should be aware of if you want to benchmark it.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[thelma]

On 12/02/2020 12:45 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:33 PM Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> Am Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 02:46:56PM -0700 schrieb thelma@sys-concept.com:
>>> Nothing scientific, but I was surprised how fast M.2 disk so decided to
>>> time how fast  GnuCash will load my accounting, her it is:
>>>
>>> Box 1.)
>>> WD (spinning disk) CPU AMD-8150 (8-core), 16GiB
>>> Time to open GnuCash - 23sec.
>>>
>>> Box 2.)
>>> Samsung SSD 850, CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core, 16GiB
>>> Time to open GnuCash - 15sec.
>>
>> I can hardly believe that. Does your duration include the entire boot
>> process? If so, the times look quite alright, but that’s not what
>> description says.
>>
> 
> Keep in mind these are different hosts, probably running different
> software with different workloads/optimizations, with different CPUs,
> differing amounts of RAM, and different storage technologies.
> 
> It isn't particularly controversial to suppose that M.2 (NVMe) is
> going to be faster than SATA-based SSD, which is going to be faster
> than spinning disks.
> 
> When you want to get to the exact differences you need to test on
> configurations that are otherwise identical, and also account for
> stuff like caching.
> 
> Note also that M.2 is a form-factor, and you can find SATA-based M.2
> drives which aren't going to perform any better than any other
> SATA-based drive.  Also, since NVMe is far more capable than SATA/AHCI
> it matters even more exactly what NVMe drive you're talking about.
> The storage device itself, and the PCIe version can make a difference,
> and of course you need a CPU/MB that can actually take advantage of
> the drive's full capability.
> 
> You might not need the max performance NVMe is capable of, but it is
> something you should be aware of if you want to benchmark it.

You are correct, it wasn't any benchmark test.  And yes, the old PC are
about 10-year old and 3-4 years old; and the new one is just assembled.
But I was surprised how fast the GnuCash open the database on a new box,
so I time it for a curiosity.

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:45:27 GMT Rich Freeman wrote:

> You might not need the max performance NVMe is capable of, but it is
> something you should be aware of if you want to benchmark it.

...and once you've experienced it you won't want to go back.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[thelma]

On 12/02/2020 04:14 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:45:27 GMT Rich Freeman wrote:
> 
>> You might not need the max performance NVMe is capable of, but it is
>> something you should be aware of if you want to benchmark it.
> 
> ...and once you've experienced it you won't want to go back.

Though, not everything showing that much difference in timing:

Opening Win-7 in VirtualBox on NVMe drive took 15sec (to login)
On Samsung EVO 850 SSD it took about 22sec. (to login).

Re: [gentoo-user] Performance: WD vs. Samung SSD vs. M.2 SSD

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:49:00 GMT thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 12/02/2020 04:14 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:45:27 GMT Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> You might not need the max performance NVMe is capable of, but it is
> >> something you should be aware of if you want to benchmark it.
> > 
> > ...and once you've experienced it you won't want to go back.
> 
> Though, not everything showing that much difference in timing:
> 
> Opening Win-7 in VirtualBox on NVMe drive took 15sec (to login)
> On Samsung EVO 850 SSD it took about 22sec. (to login).

Which just shows that the process isn't IO-bound.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.